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According to an Al Jazeera journalist that's in southern gaza, the water still hasn't been turned on, despite what Israel said.
He also said it's pointless to say that Israel will turn the water back on without restoring the electricity, because electricity is needed to pump the water to Gaza.
So this just looks like a pr piece by Israel to look like they're doing something when they're not.
Any updates? I'd expect a few hours for everything to be up and running again, but if there's still nothing, then it's definitely just for show.
Al Jazeera has just reported that water is trickling through to a few areas. No other details that I've seen yet.
Edit: it's only to one area of Khan Yunis in Gaza. And the infrastructure is destroyed there, so people are unable to get to the water as of yet. Palestinians are also reiterating that without electricity for the water pumps they're unable to get water from the tanks
Bah. It didn't even matter then. No wonder Netanyahu "capitulated".
I'm not sure at this point in time, but I'll be looking out for that information too
Can you please link the Al Jazeera source?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/16/gazas-dire-humanitarian-crisis-explained
Like i said, i was watching the live tv broadcast, but they also have the articles on their website.
Thos article outlines all the facets of the humanitarian crisis the Gazan’s are facing, they talk about the water situation about halfway down in the article.
All the info i saw was from the live tv broadcasts. I'll have a look for written articles on their site, you can have a look at their site too, in the meantime, if you want to.
Post the link?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/16/gazas-dire-humanitarian-crisis-explained
Like i said, i was watching the live tv broadcast, but they also have the articles on their website.
Thos article outlines all the facets of the humanitarian crisis the Gazan's are facing, they talk about the water situation about halfway down in the article.
Maybe it takes time for water to circulate? Also i have no idea how water systems work but i feel it might work without electricity, at least parts of it, just by using gravity.
Possibly. But Palestinians have also said that pipelines are damaged or destroyed by Israel's bombing in all areas if Gaza.
So if water is going through then it's sitting in huge tanks and not able to go through the pipelines to whichever houses/ buildings which are not yet rubble because of destroyed/ damaged pipes and no electricity to pump the water through any undamaged pipes.
So they probaby need to collect the water via water trucks. But there's no petrol either.
They could make the dangerous walk to the water tanks, but Israel has been bombing south Gaza as well, where everyone from northern Gaza was told to go.
Usually if you want it gravity-fed you need water towers to generate the needed pressure for the immediate area. Then you also likely still need some pumps to cover more area. The pumps don't work when the power is out, thus very low water pressure or straight up no water.
The water also won't flow when the pipes have been bombed into scrap.
Thanks Biden.
Still a long way to go, but I'm really happy to see some reason come out of American and European leadership.
I'm sure some cooler heads among the Americans, Europeans and Arab league nations can figure out a way to get those hostages out, safely.
Hot headed Israeli genocidal impulses were never going to be productive.
Western pushback, publicly or privately is bound to happen as the body count grows. Hamas really did a lot of damage to the Palestinian cause with the attack last weekend, but I still don't think it's enough to completely turn a blind eye to piles of civilian bodies emerging in Gaza. I think people's feeling for fairness will get triggered sooner or later.
The US stands with Israel, but we aren't going to stand by while they commit war crimes. Good on the Biden administration for forcing this course correction. I hope to keep seeing more and stronger evidence of our commitment to human rights and the international order during this war.
We absolutely are standing by while they commit war crimes. We have been for decades.
I don't disagree, it's just nice to see my country pushing for any tiny amount of adherence to international laws in this specific case and I hope we see more of it.
If you stand with Israel then you stand with war crimes. Israel is not going to stop until it completes its ethnic cleansing mission. Don't act surprised when whatever is left of Palestine is wiped off the map sooner or later.
Don't take this (too) badly, but given what those in power have done there, "Standing with Israel" is morally the same as "Standing with Hamas", except perhaps that you're standing in a pool of blood which is maybe 100x deeper if you stand with the former than the latter.
The only side to take here that's a "moral highground" (and hence not in a pool of blood) is that of the innocent civilians who are being murdered by both sides.
during this war
It was Israel partially with America's miitary aid that made this into a war.
Yea, we're good at that.
Israel listened to US suggestions? Jesus Christ, it must be a blue moon.
Israel always listens, it can't afford not to. Just don't confuse public statements with private pressure.
The US-Israel security partnership (intelligence) and Israeli lobby carry a lot of influence in D.C., so often times those two (public vs. private) don't actually align because it takes a lot less political capital to make worthless PR statements, then to apply meaningful behind the scenes pressure.
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Yeah, we can't be having them kill civilians slowly, they have to be killed off quickly with bombs and bullets.
Yay! I'm glad the US isn't entirely on board with killing civilians. Let's hope the international community especially the US can continue to pressure Israel to be humane.
Too little too late.
Any claims made by the Israeli state of apartheid army must be treated with caution and verified before, these are the same despicable evil people who claimed they saw 40 beheaded babies and the US puppet Biden lied and said he saw pictures of it, only to be proven a lie and the white house backtracking on Biden claim I mean lie of having seen pictures.
There is no question that many children were brutally killed by Hamas, and you arguing that it is despicable that some have repeated unconfirmed claim that some children were killed by beheading, which happens by the way in Middle East. The travesty! The children where purposefully gunned down, not beheaded!
It makes a difference. Both sides have killed a lot of children but for some reason people get a lot more upset about children being beheaded than they do about children being bombed, shot, or starved.
That's the difference between terrorism vs murder. Public and violent carnage on a small scale can cause terror if highly visible, and if the objective is to make it visible by the attacker.
Israel Kills 14 Palestinians Every Hour in Its Brutal Attack. At least 2,370 Palestinians have been killed, including 721 children and 390 women. The number of civilian casualties is approximately 1,730, and 9,250 others have been injured to varying degrees, with more than half of them being children and women.
There is no question that many children were brutally killed by Hamas, and you arguing that it is despicable that some have repeated unconfirmed claim that some children were killed by beheading, which happens by the way in Middle East. The travesty! The children where purposefully gunned down, not beheaded!
It's horrific. But also, if people are being killed indiscriminately, it would be weird if most victims weren't either women or children.
Most people aren't adult men.
Especially in Gaza, where the median age is 18 years.
Please also list casualties that Nazi Germany had during WW2. That of course would make allies monsters.
Glad Israel did.
Did they really, though? Or did they just say that they are going to do it?
Copying my reply from higher up in the thread:
it’s only to one area of Khan Yunis in Gaza. And the infrastructure is destroyed there, so people are unable to get to the water as of yet. Palestinians are also reiterating that without electricity for the water pumps they’re unable to get water from the tanks
Yeah I'm not sure id be glad yet… with lights being off still you know there's some messed up shut going on
So… you could say that the US exerted sufficient water pressure to open the faucets in Gaza?
The West when other countries are reliant on Russia for certain utilities: "This is NOT fine."
The West when other countries are reliant on Israel for certain utilities: "This is fine."
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So take a moment and think about how we got here. Decades of western support of this idea that we will push a certain people into a ghetto and then also control all of their resources. This could have been avoided by finding other avenues over decades to not have Gaza so dependent on Israel.
Like a two-state solution which was offered several times to Palestinians and they said no every time? The first times they said no by declaring a war whose goal was to eradicate Jews from the area.
Holy shit we might get out of this without World War III.
Didn't think I'd say this but thank you Israel
Shouldn't thank the abusers when an authority forces them to stop abusing.
You should encourage peacefulness though. It is a first step at least.
At the end of the day are we using our soft power to make it happen?
Yeah, but they could have stuck to it if they really wanted to and now children have water when they didn't.
I didn't murder anyone today. Why is nobody thanking me?
Thank you for not being a horrible person, you needing that reinforcement is weird however
You don't seem to understand that you are contradicting yourself. You are thanking Israel who has had a long history of genocide against the Palestinians, and is currently killing numerous Palestinian civilians, and yet you want everyone else to encourage peacefulness…
Now children have water when they didn't
Giving them a basic human right back after taking it away isn't something to be commended or thanked. It's something they should never have taken away in the first place and they should be punished for committing war crimes. The Hamas likewise should be punished for their war crimes.
Okay so you go about life your way, I'll go about mine and never shall the twain meet again
The good old "I don't want to admit I'm a douche so let's just stop talking so I can save face"
Don't know why you're talking about this in the past tense, like it's over. I don't even know if they've actually turned the water on, based on many comments here (not to mention that much of the infrastructure is rubble).
Under what plausible scenario do you think WWIII happens here, of all places?
There are zero world powers that would go to war for the Palestinians over this. Russia has its hands more than full and has zero to gain in any case. China has no interest in the region except to expand its role as an international power by acting as a peace broker. The US is obviously going to take the side of Israel, as are the major European powers to a greater or lesser extent. And so on.
That leave regional powers. The only regional power that has indicated any interest whatsoever is Iran. Neither Lebanon nor Syria can be considered regional powers at this point, and Egypt and Saudis Arabia will both ultimately side with the US/Israel.
So we are left with Iran. Irans physical separation from Israel and the lack of support from the nations between them means they have two choices. They can attack by air/sea, or they can ramp up their supply and support for terrorist networks.
The former would very possibly result it the destruction of Iran. Iran has no allies that would be willing to go to war with the US in order to protect it. The Iranian navy, such that it is, would be a non-factor, and ground forces wouldn’t be able to leave Iranian territory. It would be an air war with the Iranian Air Force and air defenses up against a more advanced and better supplied Israeli and potentially US air/naval attack. The goal would be something like “degradation of armed forces and command and control” but would include attacks on infrastructure.
If Iran cranks on the terrorist network supplies and intel, it is 100% guaranteed they’re going to get an Israeli (without the US) response, which might include the destruction of Iranian military and political assets.
I don’t see any upside for Iran besides saber-rattling and maybe a perfunctory thing with Hezbollah to keep the hand in the game.
Your response is perfectly logical and I agree.
Unfortunately the world isn't and World War I started because of a guy eating a sandwich.
If TV writers put this shit on a script we told him there was no way that would be plausible.
Desperate people do stupid shit
That’s really what I’m saying, though. There is no WWI scenario here. Neither Russia nor China will risk war with the US over Palestine. There’s no motivation and they have no national interest in doing so. They certainly do not have a mutual defense agreement with Hamas.
If Iran were still in the throes of civil disorder, they might want to amp things up to distract their populace and dramatically increase supplies to Hezbollah. As it stands, I think they probably still will. If they do it too much though, they do risk an escalation by Israel (ie an air raid or two against targets in Iran as well as Lebanon) to which they will not be able to respond.
No nation, except the Palestinians, is going to go to war with Israel and the US for the sake of the Palestinians. And as we are seeing, the Palestinians are poorly positioned to do so.
I read an article at least 35-40 years ago that the Palestinians would be better off throwing lemons rather than rocks at the Israel’s troops. There’s no Palestinian Martin Luther King or Gandhi, who by their own fortitude lays bare the morals of the situation.
I don't think enough countries are on Hamas' side for that. But it could definitely still be a massive massacre.
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