A Chicago-area landlord has been arrested and charged with murder and hate crimes after authorities said he stabbed and killed a 6-year-old boy and seriously wounded his mother, allegedly because the tenants are Muslim.
I'm sure a good portion of them are from the Hexbear community that many have defederated from. I'm glad for defederation because I don't have to see their toxic, disrespectful comments. People who want to leave defederation up to individuals must not be familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance.
Here's the problem I have with the whole wack-ass federation system:
Those Hexbear trolls could just make accounts on other instances and keep messing with people without consequences.
Most major Lemmy instances aren't heavily moderated and the ones that are are only modded to serve the emotional whims of the mods and admins, and not for the benefit of the users.
The whole-ass structure still has a hierarchy and therefore is still problematic.
Except other instances don't allow hate speech and behavior like Hexbear admins do. Their whole instance is dedicated to trolling and spreading hate and disinformation. So they really can't just go anywhere and act like they do.
That's not gonna stop them. They can arbitrarily make as many accounts as they need to do it, and just bounce from account to account one comment at a time if necessary.
Most people have at least a few alts on other instances simply by virtue of instance shopping. Meaning most people already can evade bans.
Once again your interest in the subject has nothing to do with the subject themselves and everything to do with you. It's not about what's best for the community but what is interesting and relevant to you.
That’s not gonna stop them. They can arbitrarily make as many accounts as they need to do it, and just bounce from account to account one comment at a time if necessary.
There's a finite number of servers though that they can create accounts on.
The admins of those servers would notice someone spamming account creations just to make comments and bypass bans.
What you're describing is not a federation issue, it's a server admin issue.
If they have that much spare time then let them. They can rule over lemmy and the rest of us get to enjoy the actual world while they're tied up screaming at their keyboards.
I usually agree with this sentiment, but I honestly think Hexbear users have had better takes than the other average user on this. It's generally not the hexbear users I see trying to justify violence in this case. Mostly they're against it. I have plenty of issues with hexbear, but at least be accurate with criticism.
Lol. Just because I defend them once after critiquing them dozens of times probably, you tell me to go there. You're as bad as they are.
My instance isn't defederated from them though so I'd have no reason to. I wouldn't care if it were defederated really because generally they're annoying assholes. I guess you guys have that in common.
Check my comment history. I've had many arguments with them. I'm not from hexbear, but in this one situation they have been mostly better than the average Lemmy user from what I've seen. They're almost all anti-violence in this situation in my experience, though some are more violently anti-Zionist which is pretty fair considering how many die because the Zionists can do it without consequences.
I'm sure a good portion of them are from the Hexbear community that many have defederated from. I'm glad for defederation because I don't have to see their toxic, disrespectful comments. People who want to leave defederation up to individuals must not be familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance.
Here's the problem I have with the whole wack-ass federation system:
Those Hexbear trolls could just make accounts on other instances and keep messing with people without consequences.
Most major Lemmy instances aren't heavily moderated and the ones that are are only modded to serve the emotional whims of the mods and admins, and not for the benefit of the users.
The whole-ass structure still has a hierarchy and therefore is still problematic.
Except other instances don't allow hate speech and behavior like Hexbear admins do. Their whole instance is dedicated to trolling and spreading hate and disinformation. So they really can't just go anywhere and act like they do.
That's not gonna stop them. They can arbitrarily make as many accounts as they need to do it, and just bounce from account to account one comment at a time if necessary.
Most people have at least a few alts on other instances simply by virtue of instance shopping. Meaning most people already can evade bans.
It's just a bad, broken system.
A bad and broken system isn't an excuse for doing nothing about a problem.
Defederation is the best option available.
Much better than requiring individuals to block toxic instances.
I agree with you. I am merely pointing out the facts of the matter, that's all.
People who don't have skin in the game often like to point out the facts, or play devil's advocate.
And yet here I am, telling you facts being the one to suffer the most from calling them out, while nothing bad happens to you. Fancy that
Once again your interest in the subject has nothing to do with the subject themselves and everything to do with you. It's not about what's best for the community but what is interesting and relevant to you.
There's a finite number of servers though that they can create accounts on.
The admins of those servers would notice someone spamming account creations just to make comments and bypass bans.
What you're describing is not a federation issue, it's a server admin issue.
Yep, the same thing happened on Reddit. Account banned? Make a new one.
If they have that much spare time then let them. They can rule over lemmy and the rest of us get to enjoy the actual world while they're tied up screaming at their keyboards.
I usually agree with this sentiment, but I honestly think Hexbear users have had better takes than the other average user on this. It's generally not the hexbear users I see trying to justify violence in this case. Mostly they're against it. I have plenty of issues with hexbear, but at least be accurate with criticism.
Then join their server so sane people can be spared from you both
Lol. Just because I defend them once after critiquing them dozens of times probably, you tell me to go there. You're as bad as they are.
My instance isn't defederated from them though so I'd have no reason to. I wouldn't care if it were defederated really because generally they're annoying assholes. I guess you guys have that in common.
I switched servers to see less of them
Nice try. Back to Hexbear with you.
Check my comment history. I've had many arguments with them. I'm not from hexbear, but in this one situation they have been mostly better than the average Lemmy user from what I've seen. They're almost all anti-violence in this situation in my experience, though some are more violently anti-Zionist which is pretty fair considering how many die because the Zionists can do it without consequences.
They're not anti violence. They're anti self defense by groups they don't care about.
They call for nuking western whites (that is genocide). Don't defend those hypocritical twats, they just want to kill anyone who disagrees.