Oh my god, it's such a little thing but the sheer inconsistency with what is and isn't a loading door is absurd. New Atlantis, the first city in the game is awful with this. You have "the well" where everything is on the same map, no loading. Then you go to the commercial district and it's a coin flip with little to no logic behind it.
Add the heavy reliance on fast travel to get anywhere and it just falls flat on its face on the open world exploration feeling. Sad considering the plot and dialog make such a huge deal about exploration.
Yeah they really flopped with that aspect. I saw someone refer to it as 'loading screen simulator' and couldn't disagree. I don't understand how other devs can make things seamless, but Bethesda couldn't manage it.
You could argue the same for most games on most Engines. Half Life: Alyx is the same engine as half-life 2 with more shit added over the years (I think they've changed it with the upgrade to Source 2, but this really showed as all Valve games would run as hl2.exe, and source 2 is merely an evolution, not a rewrite).
However Bethesda's Creative Engine was already quite dated by the time Skyrim came out 12 years ago, and hasn't received any meaningful improvements since. Honestly at this point it's not a technical issue, any competent software team could have incrementally fixed and upgraded the engine over 12 years, no matter how buggy it was when Skyrim was released and how much spaghetti there was to clean up.
Bethesda just doesn't care that their game mechanics are stuck in 2009 and the management is probably too set in its ways to figure out another way to write quests or design level without loading screens, too comfortable with the ease of writing dialogue trees without mocap or even some basic "first year of film school" camera placement.
Too bad for them Baldur's Gate 3 showed the world that these things actually matter. I won't hold my breath for TES VI, the technical gap on their engine is only growing and they still haven't indicated even an acknowledgement of its flaws.
I had all of one complaint about that in all of New Atlantis. There's a tiny convenience store that's behind a loading screen. Everything else seemed ok/expected to me.
You have "the well" where everything is on the same map, no loading. Then you go to the commercial district and it's a coin flip with little to no logic behind it.
Except all of the surface levels in New Alexandria are also in the same map. You can jump down from the commecial district to the space port with no loading screens if you want. The only exceptions are interiors. All other loading screens are from teleporting the player across the map via the NAT and elevators. Saying there's "no logic" is disingenuous.
Oh my god, it's such a little thing but the sheer inconsistency with what is and isn't a loading door is absurd. New Atlantis, the first city in the game is awful with this. You have "the well" where everything is on the same map, no loading. Then you go to the commercial district and it's a coin flip with little to no logic behind it.
Add the heavy reliance on fast travel to get anywhere and it just falls flat on its face on the open world exploration feeling. Sad considering the plot and dialog make such a huge deal about exploration.
Yeah they really flopped with that aspect. I saw someone refer to it as 'loading screen simulator' and couldn't disagree. I don't understand how other devs can make things seamless, but Bethesda couldn't manage it.
Other Devs try to use current gen engines, this is the same engine that Skyrim was on just with more shit added.
It's the same engine Morrowind was on.
And it really shows.
I got a feeling the next elders scroll is on the new engine, well I bloody hope it is.
But but but… it just works.
Nonetheless… I still wouldn't trust them do a competent new engine…
You could argue the same for most games on most Engines. Half Life: Alyx is the same engine as half-life 2 with more shit added over the years (I think they've changed it with the upgrade to Source 2, but this really showed as all Valve games would run as
hl2.exe, and source 2 is merely an evolution, not a rewrite).However Bethesda's Creative Engine was already quite dated by the time Skyrim came out 12 years ago, and hasn't received any meaningful improvements since. Honestly at this point it's not a technical issue, any competent software team could have incrementally fixed and upgraded the engine over 12 years, no matter how buggy it was when Skyrim was released and how much spaghetti there was to clean up.
Bethesda just doesn't care that their game mechanics are stuck in 2009 and the management is probably too set in its ways to figure out another way to write quests or design level without loading screens, too comfortable with the ease of writing dialogue trees without mocap or even some basic "first year of film school" camera placement.
Too bad for them Baldur's Gate 3 showed the world that these things actually matter. I won't hold my breath for TES VI, the technical gap on their engine is only growing and they still haven't indicated even an acknowledgement of its flaws.
I had all of one complaint about that in all of New Atlantis. There's a tiny convenience store that's behind a loading screen. Everything else seemed ok/expected to me.
Except all of the surface levels in New Alexandria are also in the same map. You can jump down from the commecial district to the space port with no loading screens if you want. The only exceptions are interiors. All other loading screens are from teleporting the player across the map via the NAT and elevators. Saying there's "no logic" is disingenuous.