Defense attorneys for alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO shooter Luigi Mangione say prosecutors at the Manhattan district attorney's office violated his health privacy rights.
There is no reason to believe he’s innocent. I hate rich people that kill people with their disgusting and shitty decisions too but I don’t think he is literally innocent of putting holes in the CEO’s body.
Media crews can easily isolate both the mcdonalds in question and anyone working there. 911 calls are usually recorded. None of that info hit the public afaik.
I’m not sure thats ever stopped the media before. The case gets eyeballs, sells ads. Its not like they’re putting people in witness protection for this.
The real problem here is I think there wasn’t a call. I suspect he got caught in some kind of illegal surveillance net.
Fortunately this is not how criminal courts work. Or at least not how they’re supposed to. You don’t have to prove your innocence, they have to prove that you are guilty.
You are owed a day in court and all due process before the government punishes you.
You aren’t owed an unlimed presumption of innocence by the general public who can and do read and come to reasonable conclusions in their own time.
Everyone knew that the Menendez brothers did it before the trial and everyone knew OJ did it after the trial even before he wrote a book about how he did it entitled “if I did it”
It’s weird that you can’t distinguish between what you are owed morally in the court of public opinion and what you are owed legally in criminal court.
I’d like to wait and see what happens at the trial before declaring him innocent or guilty. Just like any conspiracy theory in the past there are plenty of reasons to believe he is innocent. It does seem that he is probably the person but what I’ve seen and read hasn’t convinced me beyond a shadow.
The liars in charge of our government keep saying this is the guy, and we should kill him. I find that super suss.
It’s not weird that I’m waiting for more info before forming an opinion.
It is much more weird that you’re taking the word of police at face value. If you want to kill him so badly, prove it.
He was photographed both at and near the scene and found with the gun. His innocent plea is pro forma because it is their job to defend him and there is always hope of creating reasonable doubt in the mind of the jury even when its not at all reasonable. There is no reason for us to be stupid about it. There are not in fact “plenty of reasons” there are no good reasons at all. Again we are bound by law to give him every benefit of the doubt AT TRIAL. We can entirely reasonably conclude amongst ourselves that he is guilty as sin and still let the trial play out properly.
The liars in charge of our government keep saying this is the guy, and we should kill him. I find that super suss.
It’s not suss at all. He killed an important person who made their living screwing us. If people copy him a lot of very important very rich, and very harmful people who count themselves the modern day nobility are in danger. They collectively own the fucking nation. It’s not weird to see societies moral immune system inflamed at all. If a liar tells you it’s raining the fact that they are dishonest doesn’t mean its dry out.
How is this not an instant mistrial?
Because they’ve never even tried to bother to pretend this is going to be a fair trial.
Which tells me that they have no evidence whatsoever and he is innocent.
He’s actually innocent. But they need a scapegoat to make the rich class feel safe.
There is no reason to believe he’s innocent. I hate rich people that kill people with their disgusting and shitty decisions too but I don’t think he is literally innocent of putting holes in the CEO’s body.
I feel like there is hokey in how they caught him. Its still odd that he was “reported by a mcdonalds worker” that doesn’t seem to exist.
Where are you getting the idea that the person doesn’t seem to exist?
Media crews can easily isolate both the mcdonalds in question and anyone working there. 911 calls are usually recorded. None of that info hit the public afaik.
Why would it when it would surely lead to harassment which would interfere with a witness
I’m not sure thats ever stopped the media before. The case gets eyeballs, sells ads. Its not like they’re putting people in witness protection for this.
The real problem here is I think there wasn’t a call. I suspect he got caught in some kind of illegal surveillance net.
Fortunately this is not how criminal courts work. Or at least not how they’re supposed to. You don’t have to prove your innocence, they have to prove that you are guilty.
If you think he put holes in that CEO, prove it.
You are owed a day in court and all due process before the government punishes you.
You aren’t owed an unlimed presumption of innocence by the general public who can and do read and come to reasonable conclusions in their own time.
Everyone knew that the Menendez brothers did it before the trial and everyone knew OJ did it after the trial even before he wrote a book about how he did it entitled “if I did it”
It’s weird that you can’t distinguish between what you are owed morally in the court of public opinion and what you are owed legally in criminal court.
I’d like to wait and see what happens at the trial before declaring him innocent or guilty. Just like any conspiracy theory in the past there are plenty of reasons to believe he is innocent. It does seem that he is probably the person but what I’ve seen and read hasn’t convinced me beyond a shadow.
The liars in charge of our government keep saying this is the guy, and we should kill him. I find that super suss.
It’s not weird that I’m waiting for more info before forming an opinion.
It is much more weird that you’re taking the word of police at face value. If you want to kill him so badly, prove it.
He was photographed both at and near the scene and found with the gun. His innocent plea is pro forma because it is their job to defend him and there is always hope of creating reasonable doubt in the mind of the jury even when its not at all reasonable. There is no reason for us to be stupid about it. There are not in fact “plenty of reasons” there are no good reasons at all. Again we are bound by law to give him every benefit of the doubt AT TRIAL. We can entirely reasonably conclude amongst ourselves that he is guilty as sin and still let the trial play out properly.
It’s not suss at all. He killed an important person who made their living screwing us. If people copy him a lot of very important very rich, and very harmful people who count themselves the modern day nobility are in danger. They collectively own the fucking nation. It’s not weird to see societies moral immune system inflamed at all. If a liar tells you it’s raining the fact that they are dishonest doesn’t mean its dry out.