Just maybe the main issue is kind of the fact that nobody on either part of the discussion can properly read a fucking book.
Might be just my imagination playing with me, but most fucking people in the Bible were committing atrocities even despite being the main protagonists. And the ones that did not, were fucking murdered left and right.
Which is exactly what atheists have been saying the whole time, so I’m not sure what you mean when you say that nobody on either part can properly read a book.
The entire (well most) Old Testament is the Jews constantly screwing up and doing terrible things while God continually face palms and fixes their mess. The whole reason Jesus is even on Earth is because there wasn’t a single soul who could’ve been a model human being otherwise.
That seems derived and also ignores the Patriarchs and Matriarchs of the first five books. Also the whole thing about Jesus living a perfect life is only found in one part of John right?
Not really. All of them are portrayed as doing things that Jewish culture would view unfavorably or immoral. God isn’t exactly giving a stamp of approval to each action of these figures. Pretty much any time they do anything good it is because God enabled them to do it either through miraculous acts or by instructing them.
Also Jesus is considered the son of God throughout the entire New Testament. Maybe the word “perfect” isn’t used, but he is portrayed as a model human being throughout. Otherwise his sacrifice wouldn’t be able to serve it’s purpose.
All of them are portrayed as doing things that Jewish culture would view unfavorably or immoral. God isn’t exactly giving a stamp of approval to each action of these figures. Pretty much any time they do anything good it is because God enabled them to do it either through miraculous acts or by instructing them.
Examples?
Also Jesus is considered the son of God throughout the entire New Testament.
Abraham, the OG benificiary of the covenant with God, lies about his wife twice. Moses kills an Egyptian. These are all things that the Commandments explicitly mark as immoral behaviors. Obviously the success the figures experienced also had nothing to do with their own ability, e.g. Moses did not part the Red Seas by himself.
Except in Mark and the Q source.
The first verse of Mark calls him the Son of God. The Q source is also a purely hypothetical book, so while it technically doesn’t say Jesus is the Son of God, it also doesn’t say anything at all until it is actually found.
I mean, I don’t have the perspective to speak on how a Jew might view major figures in the Old Testament. I would guess they would still view them as imperfect people as even major figures like David are portrayed as doing immoral things.
Just maybe the main issue is kind of the fact that nobody on either part of the discussion can properly read a fucking book.
Might be just my imagination playing with me, but most fucking people in the Bible were committing atrocities even despite being the main protagonists. And the ones that did not, were fucking murdered left and right.
Which is exactly what atheists have been saying the whole time, so I’m not sure what you mean when you say that nobody on either part can properly read a book.
Anyone in the Bible who isn’t Jesus isn’t meant to be a role model. The Bible is in fact very clear about that.
Where does it say that?
The entire (well most) Old Testament is the Jews constantly screwing up and doing terrible things while God continually face palms and fixes their mess. The whole reason Jesus is even on Earth is because there wasn’t a single soul who could’ve been a model human being otherwise.
That seems derived and also ignores the Patriarchs and Matriarchs of the first five books. Also the whole thing about Jesus living a perfect life is only found in one part of John right?
Not really. All of them are portrayed as doing things that Jewish culture would view unfavorably or immoral. God isn’t exactly giving a stamp of approval to each action of these figures. Pretty much any time they do anything good it is because God enabled them to do it either through miraculous acts or by instructing them.
Also Jesus is considered the son of God throughout the entire New Testament. Maybe the word “perfect” isn’t used, but he is portrayed as a model human being throughout. Otherwise his sacrifice wouldn’t be able to serve it’s purpose.
Examples?
Except in Mark and the Q source.
Abraham, the OG benificiary of the covenant with God, lies about his wife twice. Moses kills an Egyptian. These are all things that the Commandments explicitly mark as immoral behaviors. Obviously the success the figures experienced also had nothing to do with their own ability, e.g. Moses did not part the Red Seas by himself.
The first verse of Mark calls him the Son of God. The Q source is also a purely hypothetical book, so while it technically doesn’t say Jesus is the Son of God, it also doesn’t say anything at all until it is actually found.
In some versions. Not all. Additionally there are lines where it is clear that Joseph is the daddy.
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I mean, I don’t have the perspective to speak on how a Jew might view major figures in the Old Testament. I would guess they would still view them as imperfect people as even major figures like David are portrayed as doing immoral things.
Is that true!?
My bro Elijah was an absolute beast against the prophets of Baal bro teared a new one on them haha
Jael was fucking brutal dealing that fatality
And jehud was the least based Male at his time