Do not patronize these systems, regardless of how small you think your individual impact might be. User counts are used to justify continued investments in these things.
I mean they use electricity, you want to advocate for more renewables in your energy mix then it doesn’t matter that they use lots of it because it’s renewable anyway
then it doesn’t matter that they use lots of it because it’s renewable anyway
It does, it always does. There’s for one grey energy, and more importantly this energy can’t be used somewhere else where otherwise fossil fuels were used. We should always be efficient with our energy use…
Then we need to use it, there’s a high demand for hydrogen (not for electricity) for instance, so excess energy should just either be stored or converted to H.
Right so France will probably export less electricity to Germany. Germany will . . .
a) use less power
b) burn more coal/gas
OK so lets invent option c) where we get Germany build some more nukes. Fine in 20 years time they might have 3-4GW of new nuke capacity, but in the meanwhile . . . there will have been several new data centres built in that time, and millions of houses in the UK will have started using aircon . . . and . . . we’ll be getting pretty close to 500ppm global carbon dioxide anyway.
If you’re going to keep having more people, and people are going to keep buying the same or more stuff each, this line will keep going up.
That’s true but you have to remember the EU and US are on the downtrend:
There are other countries wiping out those gains, but the west is overall doing the right thing:
We want electricity heavy industries to operate in clean energy heavy environments, this is a positive, it supports the expansion of renewables and the economy
OpenAI to build its first European data centre in Norway, with partners
Training is expensive. Inference probably cost less than the mushy straw.
Do not patronize these systems, regardless of how small you think your individual impact might be. User counts are used to justify continued investments in these things.
People need to just say no.
I mean they use electricity, you want to advocate for more renewables in your energy mix then it doesn’t matter that they use lots of it because it’s renewable anyway
It does, it always does. There’s for one grey energy, and more importantly this energy can’t be used somewhere else where otherwise fossil fuels were used. We should always be efficient with our energy use…
You think all nuclear power plants and renewables are running at max capacity all the time?
Then we need to use it, there’s a high demand for hydrogen (not for electricity) for instance, so excess energy should just either be stored or converted to H.
Right so France will probably export less electricity to Germany. Germany will . . . a) use less power b) burn more coal/gas
OK so lets invent option c) where we get Germany build some more nukes. Fine in 20 years time they might have 3-4GW of new nuke capacity, but in the meanwhile . . . there will have been several new data centres built in that time, and millions of houses in the UK will have started using aircon . . . and . . . we’ll be getting pretty close to 500ppm global carbon dioxide anyway.
https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_stretch_featured_image/public/2025-05/ghg-1-co2.png?itok=Krb3c_bB
If you’re going to keep having more people, and people are going to keep buying the same or more stuff each, this line will keep going up.
Germany is an interesting choice, since they shut down their nukes they’ve been pushing hard on renewables
https://www.euronews.com/green/2025/01/06/breakneck-speed-renewables-reached-60-per-cent-of-germanys-power-mix-last-year
That’s true but you have to remember the EU and US are on the downtrend:
There are other countries wiping out those gains, but the west is overall doing the right thing:
We want electricity heavy industries to operate in clean energy heavy environments, this is a positive, it supports the expansion of renewables and the economy
https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-build-its-first-european-data-centre-norway-with-partners-2025-07-31/