I have yet to see a vegan seriously propose the end of natural predation
This is what they were saying, humans eating animals is natural predation, or at least could be in a deindustrial setting, like wolves eating deer or whatever. Vegans, they were suggesting, believe in a very Eurocentric/Christian way that humans aren’t animals when our engagement with them as predators is as natural as predators eating us. As long as you minimize the industrialized suffering, that is, they were envisioning small holder communal farming and hunting as their counterexample.
We won’t “return to nature” that would be fascist. Humans will not eat “natural” food. Humans eat industrial food. Thinking “but what if they wouldn’t” is fictional.
returning to some aspect of nature isn’t inherently fascist, actually its something quite a lot of indigenous people do in order to reconnect to their culture.
Or are the natives too much of a carnist reactionary group to be allowed to continue such things.
Humans eat industrial yes but that is not blanket true for the whole world, this is Orientalism.
I think you can agree to the idea that humans are not superior to animals in any meaningful capacity and that, like other animals, have their own novel tendencies (like the ability to create food which has no animal involvement, as some worker ants like those of Harpegnathos saltator can turn into queen ants when there is none can be a novel tendency)
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This is what they were saying, humans eating animals is natural predation, or at least could be in a deindustrial setting, like wolves eating deer or whatever. Vegans, they were suggesting, believe in a very Eurocentric/Christian way that humans aren’t animals when our engagement with them as predators is as natural as predators eating us. As long as you minimize the industrialized suffering, that is, they were envisioning small holder communal farming and hunting as their counterexample.
We won’t “return to nature” that would be fascist. Humans will not eat “natural” food. Humans eat industrial food. Thinking “but what if they wouldn’t” is fictional.
Okay, that ship has sailed in other words. I think he would just object, he’s kinda a Graeber guy, but that makes sense to me. Thanks!
its funny how they were totally wrong in that sentence and you sort of just accepted it
Dunno, I told people I was curious and wasn’t here to argue, I could argue anyway but I’m trying to engage in a way that encourages folks to respond.
fair, and they were good questions, have a nice day
returning to some aspect of nature isn’t inherently fascist, actually its something quite a lot of indigenous people do in order to reconnect to their culture.
Or are the natives too much of a carnist reactionary group to be allowed to continue such things.
Humans eat industrial yes but that is not blanket true for the whole world, this is Orientalism.
I think you can agree to the idea that humans are not superior to animals in any meaningful capacity and that, like other animals, have their own novel tendencies (like the ability to create food which has no animal involvement, as some worker ants like those of Harpegnathos saltator can turn into queen ants when there is none can be a novel tendency)