Edit: ideally wifi cameras that I can solar power.
Looking to replace my Arlo cameras with something self-hostable. Arlo lets you store on a USB stick, but there’s no way to get out from under their cloud, which gets more expensive all the time.
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You can use pretty much any camera with ZoneMinder as long as it supports ONVIF or RTSP and has the right connectivity and power inputs for you. I did something similar with some cheap TP-link cameras with pretty good results. With motion activated recording, I have just shy of 12 month of recordings stored on a 500G SSD.
How did you get 12 months onto just 500 Gb? I only have a couple weeks worth on a 1 Tb ☹️ I’m using wyze cams w/ agent i-spy. I assume I need to upgrade my compression skills here.
Motion activated recordings.
Continuouse, even h265 recordings, can only 2 weeks or so per terabyte.
Motion activated means he is probably recording 30 minutes per day vs 24 hours.
Ahhh that makes sense. Yea I’m on continuous.
Most cameras are self hosted but they are not marketed to consumers because they require running cables to them either for power and/or data.
Reolink camera with onvif so support can be connected to Frigate or Shinobi.
Hikvison and Dahua are common Chinese brands that have lots of options across lots of prices points but are treated as insecure or hostile iot devices required closed networks.
Costco often has camera and NVR packages that are passable.
Whenever possible make sure any camera you get is onvif so you can use it with any NVR or software.
HIkvision is great. Good value for money. Just do not use the app to configure them, use web gui. And yes, they need to be isolated from rest of network and the internet ( as pretty much any cameras).
I use Reolink cams with BlueIris software. None of it has access to the internet. Works fine.
Reolink looks like a solid answer, thanks.
Do additional research on the models you’re interested in. Unfortunately they don’t all play nice with 3rd party software but the ones that use open standards are good bang for the buck.
Can vouch for this. Been using a bunch of Reolink cameras with BI for years. Be careful with Reolink, though. Some cameras work fine and some don’t at all, unless you use some middleman software, which is still hit or miss. Ran into this recently with a camera I got for my garage.
Edit: The Reolink Lumus line is NOT compatible. They don’t broadcast rtsp.
The wireless wifi Reolink cameras won’t work the way OP wants, only the poe ones have rtsp
I have a mix of wifi and POE cameras and they all work for me.
2 of my Reolinks are on Wi-Fi and work fine. It depends on the model.
I also use this exact setup, works great!
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters AP WiFi Access Point IP Internet Protocol IoT Internet of Things for device controllers NAS Network-Attached Storage NVR Network Video Recorder (generally for CCTV) PoE Power over Ethernet SSD Solid State Drive mass storage SSH Secure Shell for remote terminal access Unifi Ubiquiti WiFi hardware brand VPN Virtual Private Network
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Missed at least two of the more important ones:
Fewer Letters More Letter RTSP Real Time Streaming Protocol ONVIF Open Network Video Interface Forum Still a pretty cool bit idea though. Keep at it!
Frigate is amazing, that’s what I’d recommend. I’m using a 5MP Amcrest camera, works very well. The dev doesn’t recommend Reolink.
Hikvision are also just rebranded amcrest sold cheaper for consumers. You have to isolate them from the internet, but that goes for pretty much every IP camera.
UniFi
I personally recommend against UniFi for security now. Their software just isn’t great anymore, and you can’t really “selfhost” the protect. You have to have one of their proprietary boxes hosting the protect software. I’m not 100% against that - but I was not aware of that when I bought the first camera and had to buy the box.
As for the software, it’s honestly just buggy and laggy. I’m in their system now, but if I could do it all again I’d look at others.
I’m somewhat stuck on Unifi for wifi APs and Routers, because all the other consumer-grade devices can’t handle the number of small IoT devices I’ve got. Netgear and Asus just lose connections with ESP devices and refuse to let them connect after about a dozen. The commercial grade stuff, in addition to being too expensive, is all rack mounted, high power draw and noisy af.
Aside from the fact that my stuff seems stable on the Ubiquiti hardware, I hate the products. The interface is terrible, Unifi insists on hiding the advanced networking behind a halfass gui, the SSH console lacks half the features of even that terrible gui, and every time i try to create a new routed network, the wifi devices stop connecting.
I use unifi for wifi because honestly I like the dashboard.
But… for anything layer 3, I’m using MikroTik. It’s extremely powerful without actually running your own router, and many are Poe as well. I’m running a RB5009 which is overkill for me.
I chose RB5009 because it runs DoH, ZeroTier, sub interfaces, it’s rack mountable, passively cooled, poe capable, and can handle up to 2.5gb symmetrical. I just wish they had 2 x SFPs so I can use a full 10gb WAN
Was about to mention Mikrotik. They even have a 100GBit switch for under $800 (CRS504-4XQ-IN).
You have to have one of their proprietary boxes hosting the protect software
This was the biggest bummer for me that convinced me not to get into the Unify ecosystem. I already have a robust storage solution at home, I just want to point the cameras to a docker container running on my host with all the storage.
Nah, their software is so infuriating to work with. Even when an SSD it falls to load video clips. Often I have to restart unifi protect on the console or even ssh into it to do and apt update/upgrade to get it working again.
Self hosted might be a little better, but I’m not holding my breath.
Many selfhosted NVRs have been suggested. Personally ive tried:
iSpy
Frigate
Zoneminder
Shinobi
Ended up settling on zoneminder at this stage.
For cameras themselves i just want to point out the OpenIPC project - opensource firmware if youre technically inclined
Edit: I’m hesitant to recomment OpenIPC now since the main streamer is closed source. Thingino is fully open and developed by some of the devs who didn’t agree with the closed source portion
Openipc looks interesting. Just did a quick search and it’s kind of difficult to find a camera that specifies it’s chip.
Yeah, I’m willing to try it if I knew which cameras are supported, not just what chip.
Yeah, i faced the same challenge. I understand why they do it like that (cameras potentially mixing socs)…
I think there are some make/ models on their project but its far and few. Ive flashed 1 camera so far but had to check the soc myself
I need to crack open my (cheap chinese) cameras and check them at some point. Ive noticed them pinging my pihole for secu100 for cloud services. At least theyre blocked for internet access!
I would review https://docs.frigate.video/frigate/hardware
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Frigate + reolink is a great combo.
I’ve been running https://demo.scrypted.app for a few months. It’s pretty slick.
Yeah it looks pretty slick but not so much slicker than Frigate that I will pay to be in the beta. :)
more info would be nice
Look for something that can do rtsp streaming. Reolink, amcrest, ect. Its all cheap Chinese cameras that almost definitely dial out to some Chinese server.
What I do is have all cameras connected on a wireless router with no internet, use zoneminder on a Linux that is connected to my home network via Ethernet and the camera network via WiFi, and allow https into my home network from my VPN
I do the same but with Blue Iris and Windows but yeah I keep those cheap China cams off the Internet.
I’m running a trio of Reolink RLC-820A cameras, over PoE. I’m recording with Frigate on a Raspberry Pi with a Google TPU USB.
Inferencing of detected objects is lightning fast, and reasonably accurate. I’m storing ~45 days of footage (motion detected - not 24x7 recording) on less than 2TB.
Does Ubiquiti qualify?
They do but are a poor value next to most other options.
They are an excellent value next to most other otpions if youve ever actually implemented more than one solution.
I have and I have done unifi. I don’t like being restricted to their NVR or software solutions because it means I to toss the cameras if I want to extend solution with things like ptz or verifocal cameras. Want to add ai/ml detection sorry can’t do…
Unifi is good for some people but it’s not the solution for everyone. Reolink can also offer similar ecosystem experiences but also while letting you expand your system if wanted.
If you’re looking for something more or less in the same footprint, I understand those cheap Wyze cameras can be used. There are alternative firmwares available that can be flashed to them to open up the rtsp stream to whatever self-hosted recorder you’d like. Haven’t tried it, but have heard it mentioned on the Self Hosted podcast.
