One of the admins at lemmy.blahaj.zone asked us to purge a community and all of its users because they thought it was full of child sexual abuse material, aka CSAM, fka kiddy porn. We assured them that we had checked this comm thoroughly and we were satisfied that all of the models on it were of age. The admin then demanded we purge the comm because they mistook it for CSAM, and claimed that the entire point of the community was to make people think it was CSAM. We vehemently disagreed that that was in fact the point of the community, but they decided to defederate from us anyway. That is of course their choice, but we will not purge our communities or users because someone else makes a mistake of fact, and then lays the responsibility for their mistake at our feet. If someone made a community intended to fool people into thinking it was kiddy porn, that would be a real problem. If someone of age goes online and pretends – not roleplays, but pretends with intent to deceive – to be a child and makes porn, that is a real problem. Nobody here is doing that. One of the reasons we run our instance the way that we do is that we want it to be inclusive. We don’t body shame, and we believe that all adults have a right to sexual expression. That means no adult on our instance is too thin, fat, bald, masculine, old, young, cis, gay, etc., to be sexy, and that includes adults that look younger than some people think they should. Everyone has a right to lust and to be lusted after. There’s no way to draw a line that says “you can’t like adult people that look like X” without crossing a line that we will not cross.
  • maegul (he/they)@lemmy.mlEnglish
    6417·
    1 year ago

    IMO, plenty of nuance lacking in the discussion here.

    1. Being able to defederate whenever you want is the point of all this. Freedom of association. It’s not a big deal.
      • EDIT/ADDITION: someone defederating from something you enjoy doesn’t mean that you can’t continue to enjoy it or that they have defederated from you personally. Each of us managing our own situation here is the whole point. It’s not personal. It’s not about you.
    2. This especially goes for instances that are trying to create safe spaces for vulnerable people, as blahaj.zone is. To all the critics here, the job of such moderation is probably harder than you realise. There appears to be little empathy for what such an effort is trying to achieve. Moreover, it almost certainly will involve decisions that will not make sense to you if you don’t belong to the instance’s demographic. It’s also ok, given their circumstances, that they make decisions that seem excessive … because they have a bigger job to do than ensuring that they’re not too Puritan etc
    3. This is even more especially so when it comes to something as intrinsically controversial, problematic and illicit as CSAM.
      • Just today a report came out stating that fediverse has a CSAM problem, where such content being masked by appearing alongside otherwise acceptable material is part of the problem. So maybe not fucking around with this shit as an admin makes a lot of sense, and maybe being less cavalier as a community about this issue might actually be necessary if we are all to enjoy our free social media ecosystem. We’ve lost one instance to being carefree about this stuff (vlemmy). And is “adorable porn” so important that it needs defending?
      • See Verge Article and Mastodon thread by author of report
    • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      1 year ago

      You missed a part. Maybe people shouldn’t throw around csam accusations casually and without merit.

    • whats_a_refoogee@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      Are women with small breasts considered vulnerable people by blahaj.zone or as pedophile enablers? Does them being gay or minority affect this?

    • neo (he/him)@lemmy.comfysnug.spaceEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      Just today a report came out stating that fediverse has a CSAM problem

      OH NOES, a platform (meta) with a strong stake in destroying the fediverse commissioned a study conflating drawings with CSAM?

      Stop. The. Presses.