The “kick up the arse” doesn’t work. You’re just going to make people get defensive. You being rude gives them an excuse to not listen to you - now they can strike you off as a madman radical and move on with their lives.
This person was just advising to not get overwhelmed with anxiety and panic for the future because it’s just going to make the present suck before that future is even here. They never said “don’t take any action at all” or “it’ll all magically be okay”. Going to that person to try and overwhelm them with anxiety and panic for the future and calling them names for not being overwhelmed with anxiety and panic for the future isn’t any kind of rhetorical “tough love” thing you’re trying for it to be - it’s just a dick move.
Trying to overload people with fear doesn’t work. It’s actually a denialist tactic, when your brain is so overloaded with fear it can’t function with it, everything turns into a blurry mess as a self defense mechanism. You stop thinking about it, that’s what most conscious people have done. Very, very few people have genuine faith and trust in today’s political authorities. But regardless, in that state it’s very easy to fall for a counter narrative just to be more calm with your life.
Also, I’m not a liberal. Not every country has an organized and effective radical left. In here the most radical leftist parties are leninists who only sit on their asses writing articles on websites that look from the 90s about how we should support ISIS in their anti-imperialist struggle. I focus on improving and sustaining my own community.
Completely disagree. Have seen it work plenty of times and will absolutely continue doing it. Shame is a powerful motivator and you’re simply wrong.
In here the most radical leftist parties are leninists so all they do is sit on their asses writing articles on websites that look from the 90s about how we should support ISIS in their anti-imperialist struggle. I focus on improving and sustaining my own community.
This is bollocks mate and just tells me you literally do not participate by highlighting that you have absolutely no clue what anyone is doing. You’re mad at me for chastising you because you feel that it applies to you.
Go and join an org and stop making excuses. Start with a union.
I’m not telling you what to do. I’m telling you it’s a shitty thing to do and it doesn’t work. It didn’t work in this thread, and if you’ve found instances of it “working”, I’m 90% sure people just followed along with you so you stopped nagging them. Shaming someone doesn’t convince them, at most it may convince third observers.
This is bollocks mate and just tells me you literally do not participate by highlighting that you have absolutely no clue what anyone is doing. You’re mad at me for chastising you because you feel that it applies to you.
You can ascribe any feelings you want to me, the truth is the same. Most leninists in here don’t do anything, they just whine on blogposts about stupid bullshit. As a matter of fact I do have a clue, because I keep the article as a great reminder: http://www.pmli.it/articoli/2015/20151015_scuderiletussupporttheislamicstate.html
Instead of being part of them, as I previously said, I focus on improving and sustaining my own community. In that I’ve done way more for the proletariat of my country than any smug authoritarian cuck has done in years.
I hope you realize my initial point now. Direct confrontation doesn’t work. The other person will get defensive, probably immediately, and try to look for any possible reason to not listen to you, even if it has nothing to do with what you’re trying to argue. I wonder what you’ll say to deny it next, given that you’ve gone through that exact process right now in this very conversation.
The “kick up the arse” doesn’t work. You’re just going to make people get defensive. You being rude gives them an excuse to not listen to you - now they can strike you off as a madman radical and move on with their lives.
This person was just advising to not get overwhelmed with anxiety and panic for the future because it’s just going to make the present suck before that future is even here. They never said “don’t take any action at all” or “it’ll all magically be okay”. Going to that person to try and overwhelm them with anxiety and panic for the future and calling them names for not being overwhelmed with anxiety and panic for the future isn’t any kind of rhetorical “tough love” thing you’re trying for it to be - it’s just a dick move.
Trying to overload people with fear doesn’t work. It’s actually a denialist tactic, when your brain is so overloaded with fear it can’t function with it, everything turns into a blurry mess as a self defense mechanism. You stop thinking about it, that’s what most conscious people have done. Very, very few people have genuine faith and trust in today’s political authorities. But regardless, in that state it’s very easy to fall for a counter narrative just to be more calm with your life.
Also, I’m not a liberal. Not every country has an organized and effective radical left. In here the most radical leftist parties are leninists who only sit on their asses writing articles on websites that look from the 90s about how we should support ISIS in their anti-imperialist struggle. I focus on improving and sustaining my own community.
Completely disagree. Have seen it work plenty of times and will absolutely continue doing it. Shame is a powerful motivator and you’re simply wrong.
This is bollocks mate and just tells me you literally do not participate by highlighting that you have absolutely no clue what anyone is doing. You’re mad at me for chastising you because you feel that it applies to you.
Go and join an org and stop making excuses. Start with a union.
I’m not telling you what to do. I’m telling you it’s a shitty thing to do and it doesn’t work. It didn’t work in this thread, and if you’ve found instances of it “working”, I’m 90% sure people just followed along with you so you stopped nagging them. Shaming someone doesn’t convince them, at most it may convince third observers.
You can ascribe any feelings you want to me, the truth is the same. Most leninists in here don’t do anything, they just whine on blogposts about stupid bullshit. As a matter of fact I do have a clue, because I keep the article as a great reminder: http://www.pmli.it/articoli/2015/20151015_scuderiletussupporttheislamicstate.html
Instead of being part of them, as I previously said, I focus on improving and sustaining my own community. In that I’ve done way more for the proletariat of my country than any smug authoritarian cuck has done in years.
So you’re not organised. You’re not even in a union. And you’re not doing any organising.
Thanks for the confirmation. I’ll be on the picket lines with everyone else actually organising. Enjoy the higher wages, rights and holidays though.
I hope you realize my initial point now. Direct confrontation doesn’t work. The other person will get defensive, probably immediately, and try to look for any possible reason to not listen to you, even if it has nothing to do with what you’re trying to argue. I wonder what you’ll say to deny it next, given that you’ve gone through that exact process right now in this very conversation.
Wow direct conflict with liberal trolls that aren’t the target doesn’t work! What a revelation!
I rest my case. Have a nice day!
This reddit behaviour should have stayed on reddit.