@themeatbridge@Chives I get where you are both coming from. Practically speaking, Reddit can censor however they want. And our recourse is of course to migrate to federated platforms like Lemmy. But there is a movement towards freedom of speech on very large online platforms. (Although, if Reddit continues its decline, then it may never become large enough.)
“The DSA [Digital Services Act] also stipulates that users are informed about, and can contest removal of content by platforms, having access to dispute resolution mechanisms in their own country. […] In addition, if platforms are not currently providing explanations to users about their removal decisions, this process will need to be instituted across the board.”
That would only apply to EU, though, right? I suppose it would be possible for it to force across the board changes from some sites, but I don’t know if Reddit would be one of them. Something to keep an eye on but not something that means I should give Reddit another chance, IMO.
Yes, as I understand, the Digital Services Act applies only to users from the European Union. And it does not apply to Reddit because it is comparatively small and declining. So, of course, don’t migrate back :-)
We can vote with our feet, e.g. migrating from Reddit to Lemmy. And we can literally vote against censorship, e.g. this particular provision of the Digital Services Act.
I don’t understand –– are you actually defending censorship on Reddit?
No, I’m not defending anything about reddit. It’s reddit. You get what you pay for.
Ultimately, it’s up to Reddit what breaks their ToS and what doesn’t.
Good catch. Language matters.
@themeatbridge @Chives I get where you are both coming from. Practically speaking, Reddit can censor however they want. And our recourse is of course to migrate to federated platforms like Lemmy. But there is a movement towards freedom of speech on very large online platforms. (Although, if Reddit continues its decline, then it may never become large enough.)
“The DSA [Digital Services Act] also stipulates that users are informed about, and can contest removal of content by platforms, having access to dispute resolution mechanisms in their own country. […] In addition, if platforms are not currently providing explanations to users about their removal decisions, this process will need to be instituted across the board.”
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/12/how-companies-prepare-digital-services-act/
That would only apply to EU, though, right? I suppose it would be possible for it to force across the board changes from some sites, but I don’t know if Reddit would be one of them. Something to keep an eye on but not something that means I should give Reddit another chance, IMO.
Yes, as I understand, the Digital Services Act applies only to users from the European Union. And it does not apply to Reddit because it is comparatively small and declining. So, of course, don’t migrate back :-)
We can vote with our feet, e.g. migrating from Reddit to Lemmy. And we can literally vote against censorship, e.g. this particular provision of the Digital Services Act.
Love it, vote with our feet, vote with our online activity!
If we leave, the advertisers won’t pay near as much - and so the companies will have to try to better themselves to win users back.
That won’t work, by the way - since there’s nothing better than an open source community run platform.
The reddit of old is already dead. What’s left is just a corporate investment wearing the skin and pretending nothing has changed.
Agreed!
I assume more “Reddit doesn’t actually give a shit, or there wouldn’t be so many power tripping mods in the first place”