Why would it? Note that nobody is saying that the leak is fake or edited. The silence is deafening, but also not the only evidence. There’s another undisputed leak the confirms the same:
And the IOC itself saying that it’s a DSD case:
In total, there are exactly zero people saying “Khelif is female based on medical records”, and several different people saying “Khelif is male based on medical records”, combined with the IOC stating that it’s a DSD issue, which means that Khelif is male. Khelif could remove all doubt with a simple, cheap, non-invasive sex test, so why hasn’t that happened?
The IOC did not state this, they just conflated DSD with transgender in the initial statement. Why do you keep saying the leaks are undisputed? Read my initial quote about Snopes trying to corroborate the claims and being unable to.
Khelif could remove all doubt with a simple, cheap, non-invasive sex test, so why hasn’t that happened?
What doubt is there exactly, you’re pretty convinced that they’re a male with nothing but conjecture, smoke and mirrors.
They corrected themselves after stating that it wasn’t a DSD case. If it wasn’t a DSD case, then why correct it? Why not say “it’s not a transgender case either”?
The leaks are undisputed in the sense that nobody is saying “these are fake/edited/whatever”. People are refusing to comment on them, which is why Snopes says that they’re uncorroborated. That’s a “no duh” though, of course they’re not going to comment on something that they might get sued over.
Her male chromosomes are actually confirmed by 3 tests - 2 ordered by the IBA and one independent one. The first two say:
2022 World Boxing Championship in Istanbul test:
“Result: In the interphase nucleus FISH analysis performed on cells obtained from your patient’s material, 100 interphase nuclei were examined with the Cytocell brand Prenatal Enumeration Probe Kit. An XY signal pattern was observed in all of them.”
2023 World Boxing Championship in New Delhi test:
Result Summary: “Abnormal”
Interpretation: “Chromosomal analysis reveals Male karyotype”. Note this is not merely the IBA saying this, but an NBA journalist who saw the actual tests.
After the two IBA tests were revealed, she got an independent test as confirmed by her trainer in an interview (French). The results were reviewed by a world-class endocrinologist. Same result: XY chromosomes, male testosterone levels. After learning of the results, she dropped her appeal of the IBA ruling, and with it her right to compete in most international boxing events and prize money she would have won in 2023. She then went on testosterone-lowering hormones to qualify for the Olympics, who don’t do chromosome tests. The trainer notes they had to give her treatment to make her biologically “comparable” to a woman in terms of hormone levels and musculature.
It’s also important to note that Khelif has never denied having XY chromosomes. Nor has anyone on her team nor from the IOC. Instead they always deflect by repeating, without medical evidence, that she’s “female”.
Another:
Imane’s coach has confirmed that after Imane received the news about her tests, she saw an endocrinologist at the Parisian University Hospital, Kremlin-Bicêtre.
"He confirmed that Imane is indeed a woman, despite her karyotype and her testosterone level. He said: ‘There is a problem with her hormones, with her chromosomes, but she is a woman.’ That’s all that mattered to us.
Notice that they won’t say “female”. Notice also that Khelif has refused to take a sex test, even though it would be simple, cheap, non-invasive, and put to rest all doubts. Why not?
This is exactly why organizations are instituting sex testing, so that we don’t have to have a silly culture war and can just focus on sports. Khelif is welcome to compete in women’s leagues after going through the same sex test that everyone else will go through as well.
Look, I’m kind of mad that you’re dragging me back into this stupid year old argument. Quoting a bunch of reddit comments is not particularly convincing “evidence”. There’s plenty in there that address some of your points and I’m not going to sit here and have a proxy argument with you through other’s comments. I don’t believe there’s enough evidence to say they are a male, nor do I know enough about genetics to say anything worthwhile about whether she’s intersex and what sort of implications that brings. Based on what you’ve said so far, I’m guessing you’re no geneticist either.
This is exactly why organizations are instituting sex testing, so that we don’t have to have a silly culture war and can just focus on sports. Khelif is welcome to compete in women’s leagues after going through the same sex test that everyone else will go through as well.
You’re the one standing up for the people waging the culture war here, JKR doesn’t give a shit about women’s sports. Khelif’s lost a quarter of her fights, she’s good but she’s no Mike Tyson.
I dismissed it because it can’t be corroborated, which is the same reason you should dismiss it as well. Sure, life would be a lot easier if I could be swayed by random bullshit on reddit and turn off all critical thinking skills and logic at a whim, but I can’t. God it would be easy to decisively talk about the sex of a random amateur boxer halfway across the world while simultaneously decrying the “culture war”, but I can’t. Man life would be so much simpler if I could just be that goddamn stupid 👍
Why would it? Note that nobody is saying that the leak is fake or edited. The silence is deafening, but also not the only evidence. There’s another undisputed leak the confirms the same:
And the IOC itself saying that it’s a DSD case:
In total, there are exactly zero people saying “Khelif is female based on medical records”, and several different people saying “Khelif is male based on medical records”, combined with the IOC stating that it’s a DSD issue, which means that Khelif is male. Khelif could remove all doubt with a simple, cheap, non-invasive sex test, so why hasn’t that happened?
The IOC did not state this, they just conflated DSD with transgender in the initial statement. Why do you keep saying the leaks are undisputed? Read my initial quote about Snopes trying to corroborate the claims and being unable to.
What doubt is there exactly, you’re pretty convinced that they’re a male with nothing but conjecture, smoke and mirrors.
They corrected themselves after stating that it wasn’t a DSD case. If it wasn’t a DSD case, then why correct it? Why not say “it’s not a transgender case either”?
The leaks are undisputed in the sense that nobody is saying “these are fake/edited/whatever”. People are refusing to comment on them, which is why Snopes says that they’re uncorroborated. That’s a “no duh” though, of course they’re not going to comment on something that they might get sued over.
Here’s a thread that goes over more evidence
An example:
Another:
Notice that they won’t say “female”. Notice also that Khelif has refused to take a sex test, even though it would be simple, cheap, non-invasive, and put to rest all doubts. Why not?
This is exactly why organizations are instituting sex testing, so that we don’t have to have a silly culture war and can just focus on sports. Khelif is welcome to compete in women’s leagues after going through the same sex test that everyone else will go through as well.
Look, I’m kind of mad that you’re dragging me back into this stupid year old argument. Quoting a bunch of reddit comments is not particularly convincing “evidence”. There’s plenty in there that address some of your points and I’m not going to sit here and have a proxy argument with you through other’s comments. I don’t believe there’s enough evidence to say they are a male, nor do I know enough about genetics to say anything worthwhile about whether she’s intersex and what sort of implications that brings. Based on what you’ve said so far, I’m guessing you’re no geneticist either.
You’re the one standing up for the people waging the culture war here, JKR doesn’t give a shit about women’s sports. Khelif’s lost a quarter of her fights, she’s good but she’s no Mike Tyson.
If you’re going to dismiss evidence simply because you don’t want it to be true, that’s fine. Seems kind of silly to me, but you do you.
I dismissed it because it can’t be corroborated, which is the same reason you should dismiss it as well. Sure, life would be a lot easier if I could be swayed by random bullshit on reddit and turn off all critical thinking skills and logic at a whim, but I can’t. God it would be easy to decisively talk about the sex of a random amateur boxer halfway across the world while simultaneously decrying the “culture war”, but I can’t. Man life would be so much simpler if I could just be that goddamn stupid 👍