• minorkeys@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I will look into the ones I haven’t read. Thank you.

    Almost everything observed is deterministic. In the very few places that appear different, we know and can observe the least, so to conclude it isn’t, in the face of almost universal causality, seems…odd?

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      2 days ago

      It’s odd to believe the universe is deterministic when physics experiments have observed particles that exist outside causality. Even the double slit experiment goes against causality, uncertainty goes against causality, even current particle experiments can’t prove deterministic causality. The prevailing scientific and philosophical findings are that universal, deterministic causality can’t be proved any more than the existence of god.

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        1 day ago

        Physics experiments have observed causality almost everywhere, otherwise equations would not be reliable, but they are. We can observe unerring causality literally anywhere we look in the universe but uncertainty only is a, relatively, very small number of places.

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          1 day ago

          Ever heard the phrase 1+1=3 for high values of 1? Equations “work” because numbers are abstract representations of value we assign.

          We observe particles and forms of radiation we can’t explain the origins of or name literally everywhere we look, which is an infinitesimally, incomprehensibly small mote of the universe.

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            19 hours ago

            Any system that can be predicted accurately, is a system of cause and effect. The abstract nature of maths to describe the universe is not incongruent with causality. Not having an explanation, or not being able to observe, or having too little information, is not evidence of a lack of cause and effect.

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              14 hours ago

              No, a lack of evidence for determinism is a lack of evidence for determinism.