• DiscoAssBlazer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 days ago

    when Islamists in Iran, Afghanistan, or Iraq chant “Death to America,” do they simply mean the dissolution of the United States? Of course not.

    No, dumbass. This is just orientalist bullshit, I don’t even know what Iraq is doing here, you just don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Khamenei literally said otherwise. It’s a normal saying in iran, they even say it about traffic.

    At least, that’s how I’ve always interpreted it.

    Vibes based analysis, huh? Maybe try reading shit next time, instead of pulling racist bullshit out your ass.

    And, yes they have every fucking right to be pissed at Israel and the USA. Why wouldn’t they? The USA overthrew their fucking government in the 1953 for BP oil, and because they dared nationalize their oil industry. Israel is committing a genocide and colonizing Palestine, and have been fucking over/invading their neighbors for decades now. Not that your European ass would know shit, of course.

    • Aequitas@feddit.orgBanned from community
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      1 day ago

      Calm down and don’t accuse me of things I haven’t said dummy. Of course Israel is committing genocide and of course the USA is a criminal country. Where did I give the impression that this wasn’t the case?

      And no, Islamists want people dead, including innocent civilians, as evidenced by their actions. I was just trying to express this in a less confrontational way for small-minded people like you. Even if one considers attacks on innocent civilians in Israel, the USA or Europe to be justified, which is disgusting enough, Islamists also kill innocent people in the Middle East. Be it in Rojava, as was the case a few weeks ago, or anywhere else. How pathetic can you be to side with these people because of your justified rejection of Israel or the USA?

      The fact that you call me a racist also shows me that you still cannot distinguish between religion, origin and ideology. So kindly shut the fuck up.

      • DiscoAssBlazer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1 day ago

        No shit they want people dead, you’re saying “death to Israel/America” in general somehow has islamist roots, it’s literally a normal saying in Iran dumbass.

        I was just trying to express this in a less confrontational way for small-minded people like you

        actually

        Again, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. I have provided two links backing my point, so far you have used vibes to treat your position as absolute truth.

        which is disgusting enough, Islamists also kill innocent people in the Middle East. Be it in Rojava, as was the case a few weeks ago, or anywhere else. How pathetic can you be to side with these people because of your justified rejection of Israel or the USA?

        No shit? I’m not defending them, I’m calling out your bullshit saying Death to X is literal, which no the fuck it isn’t.

        The fact that you call me a racist also shows me that you still cannot distinguish between religion, origin and ideology. So kindly shut the fuck up.

        You lumped in Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq all at the same time, you realize how little in common Iraq has to Afghanistan and Iran? You just mindlessly wrote US state dept enemies from the fucking 2000s, and again, you didn’t respond at all to the links literally disproving your bullshit completely lmao. Sit on a stick, Saurkraut

        Most usages in the middle east of “Death to X”, are not literal and it’s embarrassing seeing morons never grasp this lol. Even Wikipedia mentions this, not a mention of this hypothetical “islamist usage” you’re talking about. You don’t know what you’re talking about and that’s okay, just know when to shut the fuck about things you have no clue on 👼

        • Aequitas@feddit.orgBanned from community
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          1 day ago

          you’re saying “death to Israel/America” in general somehow has islamist roots

          Once again, you are accusing me of something I neither said nor intended.

          No shit they want people dead

          So why all this stupid hostility? Then you agree with me that when Islamists say “Death to America,” they don’t just mean the American state. My argument all along is that the phrase “Death to X” is ambiguous, is used ambiguously, and prompts different people to take different actions. To be honest, I don’t know what there is to discuss. Even here in this thread, you see people who agree with the “death to US Americans” interpretation rather than “Dissolve the US”. The same applies to “Death to Israel.” Hamas, for example, also does not follow the interpretation that you would like to consider the only sensible one when it kills innocent civilians in Israel. If that’s not literal, then I don’t know what is. I provide empirical evidence that suggests a literal interpretation, while you simply post links that demonstrate that there are other interpretations as well. Which precisely underscores my argument of ambiguity. Do you just want to burn straw men here?

          “Death to Israel” will always be ambiguous. It is a slogan intended to provoke. At least when it is used by Muricans (or other westeners). And then tears about the evil and intentionally wrong interpretations of the other side are shed when the provocation succeeds, which was the plan from the outset. It’s the same tactic you hear from Karoline Leavitt every other day. Here in Sauerkrautland, the fascists are doing the same thing, of course. But it’s a pathetic tactic for leftists. That’s why you mostly hear it from internet edglords or armchair revolutionaries.

          • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            4·
            1 day ago

            Here in Sauerkrautland, the fascists are doing the same thing, of course.

            Are they? Or are you just bringing the same brain dead energy as US centrist libs who like to claim that anti fascists are the same as fascists somehow? The one thing most Germans can agree on is that Israel “has done bad things” but that the Palestinians are “terrorist scum” who deserve whatever punishment Israel dishes out. That’s your Zionist mindset in a nutshell.

            […] But, by pushing anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and anti-Palestinian laws to the political forefront, AfD has already mainstreamed its agenda and changed the country.

            The right has pushed the boundaries of what is acceptable, manipulating Germany’s culture of reckoning with its past into a commitment to defend Israel at all costs and no matter how extreme its actions. This proxy nationalism is defended by an unholy alliance of right, left, and center. Almost all German political parties, media, police, citizenship authorities, and even universities and cultural institutions are working together to suppress activists, scholars, and even the UN’s special rapporteur.

            “I was really shocked by the political pressure on the universities and the anti-Palestinian racism, and I intend to write a report about it,” Albanese, the U.N. rapporteur, told Drop Site after the event. “It’s clear that there is racism against the Palestinians here, negating their identity.”

            Under the mayoralty of Kai Wegner of the conservative Christian Democrats—whose party is predicted to lead in Sunday’s national elections—the city of Berlin has turned into a flashpoint for cracking down on pro-Palestinian speech, with protesters regularly brutalized, including Jewish students at a university occupation and women at marches protesting violence against women, as well as at a memorial for people killed by a right-wing terrorist.