What a betrayal, I hope Liberal MPs push for a non-confidence vote.
The point of CUSMA negotiations the whole time has been to try to maintain a position that benefits from deep integration with the US. What did people think it was about? Diversification is about hedging, reducing risk, and gaining leverage but the whole point of CUSMA negotiations is just trying to get the most favourable terms possible while trying to stay deeply integrated. Carney touts us having the best trade terms with them all the time. Our energy minister is touting Canada’s role in US energy dominance and pushing the idea of Fortress North America. We are integrating with NSA laws on border security, integrating with the Golden Dome, integrating on critical minerals, we are embracing massive military spending at their request while we won’t say shit about their illegal wars. There’s a disturbing trend towards blind patriotism in a segment of Carney supporters where they have fallen so hard for “elbows up” nationalism and Canadian exceptionalism that they turn anything into 4D chess kool-aid and deceive themselves into not trusting what’s right in front of their noses.
Getting us out of it, like he was elected to do.
Is that what you think he was elected to do? I don’t recall anyone running on ending CUSMA. It was all about how to manage it and get a good deal. It has always been about how to get the best deal to maintain access by avoiding tarrifs and saving highly-integrated cross-border industry. Every candidate was running on their skills to save CUSMA from the threat of Trump, not getting out CUSMA and getting out of business with the US.
Then we need to organize to prevent that because these agreements help the US not us.
Yeah, the direction of the US seemed pretty obvious last year and it has just been accelerating since. I don’t like their direction, or that we are so deeply intertwined with them, but the forces supporting integration in energy, tech, minerals, defense etc are all very powerful. It’s not good.
"We need to build new trade relationships in order to move from reliance to resilience,” the prime minister said.
At the same time, we should be trading with the U.S. if they’re not being dicks about it.
Also from Joly in the article: “Our goal is also to double our non-U.S. exports and so you see the prime minister going around and signing new trade deals across the world,”.
The title isn’t a lie, but “an open door” seems to be about as far as it goes. They’d have to send a non-insane offer though that door.
calm down…its called “stategy” and “tactics” and “bluffing” and “lying”
da fuq, did none of you play poker
the yanks will turning on themselves soon enough
stay strong hosers
Why do people simp like this?
No, saying “it’s totally on the table that we will fold ourselves into your economy and become more a part of you than ever” is not some kind of super-secret negotiation tactic for getting more independent.
At international PR levels, there is no room for that kind of double-think. World leaders pre-announce the things that they want to happen in order to help make those things happen, and right here Carney is pre-announcing that, if conditions are right, Canada is prepared to continue being America’s little bitch.
I really don’t know why he would do that, but that’s the open-face plain meaning of what he said.
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The longer this “strategy” of not banning trade with them goes on the worse we come out of it.
give your head a shake, how do “ban” trade with ol donnie dingle dick without antagonizing the world’s largest military
its called pragmatism - we just selectively ban portions in retaliation, perfectly reasonable, and not casus belli
i mean the state of kentucky will give you toothless blowjobs for life if you buy a bottle of shitty bourbon now, and they were gleefully happy about the tariffs
literally too stupid to insult
We used to not trade with them, but the first step would have been to not sign NAFTA, which had destroyed our economy. But then thanks to Trump we were finally out of it and Trudeau went and signed CUSMA. Now Carney has a chance to get us out of CUSMA while making it look like Trump is giving us a free off ramp again and he’s not doing that.
Huh you think NAFTA was when we started trading. Come on you can’t be that dense. They are right there we have alwaysbtrwded with them.
As a primary market.
We used to not trade with them
We have traded with the Americans for as long as the USA has existed.
(Yes, since before confederation)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocity_(Canadian_politics)
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/protectionism
Sure we had some trade but for the most part the US has always been a hostile partner and the bulk of our trade was with Britain because they’re actually our ally.
If by ally you mean we sent everything there because we where a colony then sure.
“Free trade” with the US made us their colony.
In quotes because it was only free one way.
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Political opinions aside, you seem like a real chore of a person to be around.
You could see in the links that it goes from there until NAFTA.
Seems like a standard trade negotiation move?
Portray your side as the most accommodating, and then act outraged when the other side tries to alter the deal. The only way to negotiate with the US currently.
That’s assuming that this isn’t just the first stage of full capitulation.
Its just lip service. The man knows how to play games.
If it gives him the chance to push more people into poverty and burn more oil he’s down.
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This majority is getting worse every day.
Those elbows didn’t last long.
Fuck Carney.
We don’t need Poilievre 2.0, we need leadership.
They guy is doing everything he can to diversify away from the U.S. Yes, he also needs to promote US trade as it is and will continue to be a very significant part of the Canadian economy (look at a map if you want to see why). Canada’s economy is in a very precarious position. We need to pull out all the stops to survive. That may include some deals with the U.S., allowing some unfortunate environmental impacts, and less progressive financial policies than we might want. But we have to keep the ship afloat if we want to steer it.
There are a few people here that have a hate boner for anything that doesn’t follow exactly what they expect, or just love to hate on Carney for reasons. I really don’t get it, do I love everything he is doing. No I don’t and that’s okay over all he has been a net positive.
They’re selectively illiterate when it comes to diplomacy.
So, when he said that economic integration had become a weakness he was lying? Sorry, but Carney supporters are constantly trying to have it both ways. Just like the man himself.
We either want deeper economic integration with a fascist neighbour that’s building concentration camps and committing war crimes on a near daily basis, or we don’t.
Carney just spent a month on global trade deals to scare the US into coming to the table. You people are ridiculous, you simply cannot remove your largest trading partner overnight without a full societal collapse.
This is a gross misrepresentation of what I said. The question is about whether we should be further integrating our economies.
It’s not so complicated. We need economic partnerships with the U.S. and we also need economic partnerships with other countries.
The question is very simple. Do we want deeper integration with the US or not?
Unfortunately yes we do. The proximity makes it economically required even considering the untrustworthiness. We desperately need more other integrations too so balance it.
OK so yes, you agree that Carney was lying?
Don’t see the lie here. I’m sure he lies as he is a politician. But the statements about wanting to diversify but also increase our partnerships with the US aren’t contradictory.
