For the second time this month the Biden administration is bypassing Congress to approve an emergency weapons sale to Israel as Israel continues to prosecute its war against Hamas in Gaza under increasing international criticism.

  • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    The post above told you everything. Israel is an ally, Ukraine is not. To say that the distinction is merely semantic and not legally significant in every conceivable way shows a total lack of maturity and understanding of how the United States government operates, and how diplomacy and affairs of state are conducted. It’s like something a little kid would say honestly.

    Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and as fucked up as it may sound in light of very recent events, Israel represents the only long term chance for hundreds of millions of people in the middle east for human rights. It’s not unlike America: It is not the country or the people that are a danger to the world, it is greed and nationalism. What Israel’s current government is doing in response to an unprecedented terror attack ks really a domestic issue, affecting a comparative handful of people as to what would be affected by an Iran-Israel war, which is absolutely what would happen if America hangs its ally out to dry, not to mention all the goodwill and credibility we’d lose with our other global partners.

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      You’re downvoted because you’re full of shit. Show me how one is legally an ally and the other isn’t. Since you invoked legal significance. Further, for your bullshit point to stand, you’d have to demonstrate how it is not within Congress’s control, or the President’s unilateral control, to render Ukraine a “legal ally”, or whatever the fuck else you fancy your bullshit criterion to be.

      • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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        You’re at the peak of Mt. Stupid.

        https://www.dsca.mil/foreign-military-sales-faq

        Do FMS Sales require Congressional Notification?

        Section 36 of the U.S. Arms Export Control Act requires Congressional notification for FMS or DCS sales expected to meet or exceed the following thresholds:

        For North Atlantic Treaty Organization member countries, South Korea, Australia, Japan, Israel, and New Zealand: major defense equipment (MDE) of $25M or more; any defense articles or services of $100M or more; or design and construction services of $300M or more.

        For all other countries: MDE of $14M or more; any defense articles and services of $50M or more; or design and construction services of $200M or more.

        For North Atlantic Treaty Organization member countries and organizations, South Korea, Australia, Japan, Israel, and New Zealand there is a 15-day statutory notification period.

        For all other countries there is a 30-day statutory notification period.

        Additional Resource: Arms Sales - Congressional Review Process

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      10 months ago

      How is democratic genocidal government better than autocratic genocidal government? Wasn’t Hitler democratically elected?

      Chance for human rights my ass.

          • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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            10 months ago

            It’s the only democracy in the middle east. It’s the best hope for government by the people in that entire part of the world. Your dismissiveness of this basic fact of US middle east policy reveals how shallow your knowledge is.

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              10 months ago

              If democracy commits genocide what’s the benefit of it being a democracy? Please explain. Is it better for a journalist living in the middle east to be murderer by democratic government than autocratic one? Is he less dead?

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                  10 months ago

                  Explain how choosing genocide supports human rights. I you mean that by supporting Israel you’re making sure you have a good place to store weapons and can murder people in the region say that. Talking about human rights beacons makes you sound silly.

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                    When the only source for your argument is “because I said so”, that makes the person who said it the only logical target for any rebuttal.

                    While this person’s statements aren’t popular here because they’re not in complete alignment and support of the Lemmy pro-Palestine position and they’re upsetting the groupthink…they are also not incorrect, and nothing they’ve said actually supports the actions of the Israeli government or even really takes a position on the current fighting in any way. They’re just explaining the diplomatic situation and how it informs US actions to other commenters who don’t seem to have that perspective.

                    If anything they said was wrong, by all means make that point…but so far all I’ve seen is them explaining a harsh and uncomfortable truth, those who don’t want to hear it shooting the messenger, and then when they’re sticking to their guns and restating their points, here you are calling it a personal attack.

                    What they’re saying isn’t what people here like hearing, but it’s the reality of the bigger picture in many ways.