• kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    Why are you under the impression that counts are happening by private companies? They’re often initially cast and counted by machines produced by a private company, yes. But their operation is done by poll workers, and their accuracy is completely reliable and verifiable. They are rigorously tested for accuracy both before and after elections, and they print each cast ballot to paper so that it can be hand counted and confirmed after the fact as well. How else do you think recounts happen?

    Also your claim that plenty of stats have shown massive fraud by both parties, or that they are regularly stuffing ballots, is simply untrue. There are a lot of bullshit claims to that regard, but our elections and ballots are actually pretty damn secure. Stats actually show that attempted fraud is very rare. One study of the 2016 general election showed that roughly 1 in 1 million votes cast were suspected of being unauthorized, and of those many are cases of human error rather than malicious intent (such as someone not realizing they were ineligible). And when it is attempted, it is almost always caught before the fraudulent ballot is cast, not after.

    There is no need for faith so long as people of all political parties are included in the process, which they intentionally are. Democrats and Republicans as well as unaffiliated people set and enforce the rules, monitor the counting process, keep the ballots safe and isolated from tampering, and keep each other accountable.

    • limer@lemmy.ml
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      15 days ago

      There are dozens of systems and some states use more than one system.

      The easiest way I can counter your arguments is by talking about Texas, where I live.

      In my town, we were given paper records; the poll workers did not maintain custody very well of their copies. There was no checking of the electronic records vs the paper records. And the paper records were not available for recounting either, later.

      We, the local Democratic Party, were notified of the results on our county via logging into a website run by Austin and had no way to challenge or recount. The results were given as an uncontested fact. We read the vote counts in a poorly designed web page.

      The voting machines were the sole point of reference.

      I saw this personally.

      As for stats tests; one common way to detect ballot stuffing is to sort all precinct results in a race by their population. Usually a candidate who wins plots as a line; ballot stuffing plots as a curve as the winning candidate gets a higher percentage of votes as the precinct population goes up.

      Another indication of cheating is discrepancies with exit polls.

      Exit polls were so off in national elections the media stopped using them a few years ago.

      If more democrats were less like your response, the USA would be a better place because more democrats would have won.

      But that will not change, I think.

      But I’m confident enough in this broken system to predict democrats will win both congress and the White House, next elections, because they will be allowed too.

      Meanwhile people with unshakable faith like yourself will feel vindicated and forget all about this. But then you will feel dismayed the gop wins yet again in the 2030s.

      I’d bet heavily on both the outcomes and reactions