I think that is ever more clear to people in civilized democracies that these barbarians, the so called “Israelis” are a blight on the world and their only reason for existence is causing pain and destruction.
Even tough I’m an avid dreamer of peace, and to never see a war again trough the TV in my life, I’m starting to think that Iran Dropping some nukes in that hideous territory would be intensely positive for the world.
Aww. Diddums! And mass murdering some babies hasn’t helped cheer them up? Wow. They really do have the blues!
Who cares what the israeli’s think. What do the Jewish people think?
That’s an important distinction.
Feel betrayal… First time eh?
So, fucking over the world economy still send like a good idea to them?
They are such selfish bastards.
Convincing an entire population to practice ethnic segregation and a strong sense of religious nationalism tends to do that to people. They literally think they’re god’s chosen people.
Finally, some good news 🙂
Booo fucking hooo
Ctrl-f “polls”, no discussion. The Guardian is bait.
I’m a bit conflicted about it as well because I don’t want a single fucking dime going to the IRGC.
On the other hand we cannot concede the strait of Hormuz to them.
On the other other hand, obviously a dumb war to have and fuck Israel for taking advantage of it.
I don’t want a single fucking dime going to the IRGC.
This isn’t a pay-out: it’s reparations for wanton destruction via sloppy bombing.
- Keep in mind it’s not a dime they’re getting, but a dime they’re getting back.
- Regardless of how we feel about the regime, the just decision is reparations (and a war crime tribunal) since this is about who we are and not about whom they are. Unfortunately, human rights is the baseline for interaction that extends to terrible people just like good people because they’re people.
Everything that happened to the IRGC themselves was deserved. While I think the Iranian citizens need some aid to build back hospitals and civilian targets struck by the malicious Israelis and incompetent Trump admin, I don’t have the confidence that it will be properly allocated to them by the corrupt and brutal IRGC, nor should we allow the IRGC to take credit for any such reconstruction because it will inevitably lead more violence and destruction down the road.
W
here you conflicted when two Nazi states destroyed much more than $300bn and killed a lot of civilians including children in an illegal offensive war, though?Are you referring to when the USSR and Nazi Germany invaded poland together, or…?
Jokes aside I think Trump is an incompetent buffoon who has only helped the IRGC hold power. The smart play would have been arming and empowering the rebels with food and medical supplies.
Fuck off zionazi
Compelling counterargument, let’s see if it works.
He blame palestinians and iran for the genocide israel is doing. He is a zionazi and he advocate for a civil war
Israel’s many crimes, which should be immediately stopped, do not forgive Iran’s.
Which part of the genocide convention can be used to say Iran and hamas are responsible for the genocide that Israel is comiting with the usa and the west weapons and money?
So you believe its Iran’s fault that Israel is committing genocide? That was the question and you didn’t address it.
Particularly before this January. I’m starting to believe them a little that Donald bought their “were gonna nuke them” bid or maybe it’s just another Epstein leverage over Donald thing.
Because that never went horribly wrong before, right ?
Indeed, didn’t the Orange even sent Kurds the weapons for Iran resistance only for Kurds to keep them?
I believe that was also after the kurds got betrayed a few times too.
And in fact part of thatwas due to Trump favoring yet another dictator scumbag Erdogan of Turkey who waged war on the Kurds.
Oh didn’t know that.
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It couldn’t go worse than continued IRGC rule.
A while back Tankie complained to me about taking Ghadafi out (which is kind of the same problematic tactic of not supporting a resistance capable of replacing them) because now Libya is stuck an anarchy with human slavery…
But the thing is, Ghadafi started the human slavery trade in Libya.
Couldn’t go worse? Pinochet, Branco and all the other dictatorships the US put in place would like a word. America helped the Mujahedeen, which led to the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS for fuck’s sake. They are magnitudes worse than the Islamic Republic, it’s not even close.
Yes, and? I can’t see this as anything other than a defense of the IRGC?
It’s like “we have dictatorship, which kills hundreds of thousands, yes, but other dictator could be worse you know?”
Like bro
Wut
Your point was that it can’t get worse than the Islamic Republic, and I provided examples on how it can actually get worse ?
Ger lost hypocrite. You loved that war . You also celebrated cuba suffering from the united snakes sanctions.
They’re even going back to dems are better in terms of handling Israel…
The fuck does this have to do with Cuba?
The dipship i replied to made multiple comment about cuba deserving the blockade
The Cuban people do not deserve any hardships imposed upon them by their autocratic leadership, the blockades included.
You literally blamed cuban for their regime in previous removed by mod comments in a post about more deadly sanctions on cuba. You are claiming that it is not the USA the agressor.
I have been pretty consistent that the Trump admin is the aggressor against Cuba, but I am a strong advocate that in order to save Cuban lives from suffering and death we need to deescalate which had been up to that the opposite stance of Cuban leadership holding rallies to celebrate the Castros and publicly declaring Cuba’s willingness to go to war.
You said you would like to sympathize with regular cuban but you can’t because they are agressive toward the usa who is the agressor and has been blockading them for decades.
You are an idiot if you think cuban should not sbow their rediness to fight an agressor. That is what we call force projection to warn the agressor
How are the families of our victims compensated and the infrastructure we destroyed supposed to be rebuilt?
Lmfao infamous Tankie Alcoholicorn asking about “our victims”, how about for starters the Chinese dictatorship stop funding their fuck around phase so they dont end up in this find out phase?
I fully agree when the Iranian people free themselves from the oppressive dictatorship then they should all seek reparations fron China.
I’m not a tankie nor do I like China, but this is whataboutism. It’s perfectly reasonable to talk about for example, Iranian victims of the US, Iranian victims of the government of Iran, Palestinian victims of Israel, Uyghur victims of China or Ukrainian victims of Russia in separate conversations.
When you bring China into a reasonable question about US responsibility for war crimes in Iran, it’s a bad look no matter who you’re talking to.
This discussion involves China. China is a first or second party in this discussion. Without Chinese support there is no IRGC, there would be no Iran funneling weapons to extremists throughout the region, and there would not be a war.
This must be the dumbest comment I read this week, what a fucking troll
Enabling Iran to resist subjugation is fundamentally a good thing. Iran is insanely anticommunist, but the alternative is the total immiseration of its people, as we saw in Libya and Syria.
I don’t care if Iran is “anticommunist”.
Resisting? Is that what they were doing when they were sending Hamas to attack a music festival which resulted in an Israeli war on Palestine and hundreds of thousands of palestinian lives lost? Is that what they do in Egypt and Lebanon? In Iraq? Resisting through random death and destruction in the name of their god?
FUN FACT: More people died from IRGC killing protestors than this war agains the USA.
Iranians might be victims but the perpetrators are the IRGC.
This is what liberal zionists actually believe lmao
Bro he’s not a zionist, read his comments.
Banjo is as much as one as the democrats and labour parties are
sending Hamas to attack a music festival
Facts:
Hamas wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t have a policy of killing children, as all of Hamas’ founding members had child family members killed by Israel.
Hamas did not attack a music Festival, Hamas attacked the homes of Military Officers and had a preplanned route Israeli intelligence knew about, which went through the relatively spontaneous music festival which was allowed to go forward despite Israeli intelligence knowing about the planned attack route.
Most deaths from the music festival were not from Hamas, but Israeli helicopter fire.
Most property damage from the raid was not from Hamas, but from Israeli rocket fire.
Is that what they do in Egypt and Lebanon? In Iraq? Resisting through random death and destruction in the name of their god?
Facts:
This isn’t a religious war. Palestine held more Christians and non-zionist Jews than Israel as of 2014. There are plenty of Christian members of Hamas and other resistance groups.
FUN FACT: More people died from IRGC killing protestors than this war agains the USA.
Facts:
This is misinformation. Disinformation at worst. While the “30k protestors” number, like the 400 gabrazillion dead in holodomor number is popular, it is entirely and totally made up. Most international observers have settled closer to the IRGC’s estimate of less than 3k armed revolutionaries dead, than the ridiculous 30k number.
But even if it were 30k, the US and Israel have killed more people during this war. The genocide of Lebanon has been severely under reported in the west, but current early estimates are at 100k defenseless civilians dead, with entire historic villages fully wiped out.
Iranians might be victims but the perpetrators are the IRGC.
Facts:
The US and Israel unilaterally started this war. This includes planting the revolutionaries in Iran that started the precipitating protests.
The revolutionaries in Iran were directly funded and armed by the US, as admitted by Trump.
Iran has a right to nuclear defense of its people.
You know it’s true because he put the word “Facts” in front of them.
I did word each claim in such a way that generally any search engine will provide supporting documentation within the first couple of results if you care to look. But you don’t, because if the information doesn’t come from your IDF approved news source it’s just propaganda.
Fuck off zionazi. You are the biggest terrorist supporter. You love to suck the usa and isrsel dicks. Only Israel the genocidal settler colonial terrorist state and the usa who arm it hold all responsability for the genocide in Gaza
You love to suck the usa and isrsel dicks.
Well only one group of people have made homophobic childish insults here.
Fuck you. It is not homophobic.
In fairness to the Tankies, anyone from any gender can suck a dick and also the act of sucking a dick takes backseat to whose dick is being sucked.
The reason Iran is the way it is to begin with is because of the west you dolt.
It was lost in the cold war and has been controlled by the eastern bloc ever since. The IRGC dictatorship, which is responsible for more Iranian civillian casualties than this pointless war is, are empowered solely by military support from China and Russia. All of their guns and munitions come from there.
I bet you would support the previous dictatorship of Iran yeah?
I actually don’t like the Shah faction, I made comments at the time Trump announced his support for them that it was a stupid fucking idea; which turned out to be true.
Love me some whataboutism. Btw fuck you and I hope you’re thrown into a concentration camp for supporting imperialism. Have a terrible day.
I hope you’re thrown into a concentration camp for supporting imperialism.
This is upvoted? This is what people here actually believe?
You actually want people imprisoned for “supporting imperialism”?
Okay maybe I was too vague. I want people like FiniteBanjo to suffer serious harm because they support bombing of people on the other side of the world for bullshit reasons (there are very few non-bullshit reasons to bomb people on the other side of the world). It just happens that the form of politics-based harm most likely to befall FiniteBanjo is that a fascist throws them into a concentration camp for being a liberal, and if that were to happen and I somehow learned of it my reaction would be schadenfreude because fuck people who support bombing people on the other side of the world. I don’t want people to be imprisoned with the charge of supporting imperialism; I just believe assholes who support imperialism deserve bad things to happen to them and was naming a plausible-ish bad thing of what I believe to be the appropriate magnitude.
You must be new here, don’t pay too much mind to it, the Tankies, supporters of eastern bloc autocratic regimes, are a lot fewer in number than they appear but they have a coordinated and well funded operation on the Fediverse including bots and alt accounts.
Whenever you see a fast inconsistent number of votes, always assume it is manipulated.
The entirety of the Lemmy platform is maintained by Tankies such as Dessalines, which run the ML instance and closely coordinate with Lemmygrad and Hexbear to spread pro-Russian and pro-Chinese propaganda. That is why I use Piefed.
Hoe about thr united snakes giving reparations to the dozens of countries it bombed and to the dozens of countries where they overthrew democracy
That’s an excellent point and a worthy topic of discussion. But it’s a little extraneous to this one, and can come off as some whataboutism if discussed here. Keep that thought, and let’s talk about it if we can get a template from this that can then be applied to them.
Sure thing, if Cuba and Venezuela disavows China and cuts off all military ties to them then I’m willing to agree to reconstruction terms and favorable trades. Let’s do that.
Likewise, I would fully support free US subsidized food aid, healthcare, and education for the Iranians if and when the IRGC is permanently removed from power and all Russian and Chinese assets are disposed of.
What a bunch of psychopaths
