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    But sugar dissolves in cold water. It just takes a bit longer. This is 9th grade chemistry. At 20°C 203.9g sugar are soluble per 100ml of water.

    [Edit: Sorry, for the Americans here: At 68°F, 1 cup of sugar is soluble in 21/50 cups of water.]

    Wikipedia (de): Zucker cites Hans-Albert Kurzhals: Lexikon Lebensmitteltechnik. Volume 2: L – Z. Behr, Hamburg 2003, ISBN 3-86022-973-7, p. 723.

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      And most of all, solubility being a function of the temperature, if you lower it the excess sugar will leave the solution and cristallize.

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      Have you seen how much sugar those hicks put into their tea though? It’s gotta be hot because they put coca cola grade amounts of sugar, to the point where it wont dissolve in the water anymore. Sweet tea contains 36-38 grams of sugar per 16 oz. That’s a fucking soft drink.

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        16 oz (454ml) can dissolve some 900 grams of sugar, far in excess of 38 grams. Sugar is ridiculously soluble in water.

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        When I make my sweet tea, I use two cups per gallon, which comes out to about 50g of sugar per 16oz. And it’s delicious! It’s definitely not a “drink all the time” type drink. I only make it a few times a year for friends.

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      example: you don’t make a pitcher of kool-aid with hot water.

      however, adding sugar to the hot tea does work better than adding it after it’s already chilled.

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          It dissolves quickly when the solution is warm. You would need to add a ridiculous amount for it to be saturated at room temp or slightly below.

          “ice cold” water can hold about 170 grams of sugar in 100 grams of water

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            If sweet tea drinkers could read they’d be very upset by that graph.

            …is what I was going to say, but man it took me a while to figure out and I’m still not 100% sure I really understand it. The specific gravity line and the sucrose vs solution line are tied to the sucrose dissolved in water curve, right? Wait, the left axis is merging two different scales? Sometimes data really isn’t beautiful.

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              The labels on the vertical axes match the labels on the lines. So the right vertical axis is for specific gravity (the grey line), and the left axis for the other two lines.

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              Ignore everything but the orange line and the left y-axis. It’s just showing the weight of sugar that fits in 100g of water, vs temperature. The blue one shows that value as a percentage, g sugar divided by total sugar and water.

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            Right but you’re forgetting there are already other things dissolved in the water as their not using pure, de-ionized water, and they’re adding in tea.

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              I don’t think the ions and “tea molecules” really matter compared to 170g of sugar. Does a glass of water get notably heavier after adding in tea?

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              Tap water usually sits around 200 ppm or 0.02% minerals. The tea leaves themselves, as I make my tea, are around 10g/L. Say the leaves dissolve 10% as an overestimation. That gives you water with 0.1% tea, 0.02% other. The solubility limit for sugar is 63% (by mass).

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                In general, the amount of salts or other organic molecules do not affect the solubility of sugar (or any other solute). The solubility of any solute in water is a constant (for a given temperature), as long as whatever is already dissolved does not have any compounds or ions in common with the next solute.

                For example, if we wanted to dissolve sodium chloride into a solution of potassium chloride, the amount of chloride already dissolved would affect the amount of NaCl we could dissolve. But if we wanted to dissolve NaCl into a solution of potassium iodide, the KI would have zero effect on the NaCl solubility.

                So, since tea has zero molecules in common with the sucrose, the yes shouldn’t affect the solubility of sucrose at all. The only exception would be if solution is acidic, the sucrose can break down into glucose and fructose, of which the tea may have a small (negligible) amount.

                Plus we’re not actually saturating the sweet tea. Saturated sugar water is a syrup, so you know just by the consistency that sweet tea is nowhere near saturated.

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          They’re not super saturating it. They’re putting an amount of sugar in the tea that can dissolve at room temperature, it just takes a long time to do so.

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          Meh, its not a perfect correlation (and the time series for the poverty map and the diabetes map are different), but most chronic diseases tend correlate with poverty pretty well. You should look at a map of obesity. It follows the same form.

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            Nah, that’s actually a my bad for not getting my point across. Looking back on my comment: I know I was trying to commend you, but I must’ve gave up on trying, because it fell completely flat (Not to just you, but to me too when I reread my reply). Dunno where my head was when I posted it, but I can see that I stopped trying at some point and just hit “send”

            The reason I commented to your post at all was because my first reaction was, “holy shit, that’s so specifically accurate and funny at the same time… how was this person seeing a fucking heat map, and able to respond with their own map, that is both wildly accurate and hilarious, given the context”.

            So I scoured the maps, because I wanted to commend you and also try and be as witty. Hawaii was one of the only (obvious) differences I could find (which makes sense when talking about diabetes and poverty)… but then idk what I did. Just literally gave up on being clever and posted a “spot the difference” comment

            So yeah, doesn’t much matter in the grand scheme of things, but I still wanted to let ya know just in case… I thought your comment of the map was surprisingly astute, and I was kinda flabbergasted that it seemed like you just had that on standby. Like you were just waiting for this moment your whole freaking life, and then pulled that very specifically accurate map out of your ass, as soon as it was relevant.

            My comment fell flat on it’s face, because it truly couldn’t be topped. And I think I must’ve gotten distracted and gave up on my response, because the only thing I really wanted to convey was… fucking brava my friend. That was some S-tier shit you dropped; and so casually too. It wasn’t necessarily news to me, but hot damn if it wasn’t quick.

            My original comment should’ve just been “you win” or some shit like that, but I failed on both ends to get that across

            So very much so… holy hell friend bwahahahaha!!! Well fucking done (and pardon my language). But that was the very definition of “under-rated comment” to me. My applause to you

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        I’m going to look at how poverty is defined. You just gave me an idea for my grad school program.

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      Sugar should be heavily taxed, it’s so dangerous at rates of more than 10 grams a day

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        It should be taxed on the corporate side. Taxing sugar on the consumer side becomes a poor tax, because poor people will still want sweets from time to time, making those treats now more and more expensive. Well off people will just accept the tax because it’s marginal to them, but when your chocolate bar that you treat yourself to once a week goes from 1.29 to 3.29, then it really fucks your day up.

        What should be done is incentives to provide less sugar/glucose-fructose on the product side and encourage companies to make snacks and beverages that have less sugar content.

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          It doesn’t make a difference which side you tax. If consumers are taxed then corporations will still feel it through reduced demand for their product. If corporations are taxed, consumers will still feel it through increased prices. The tax burden does not depend on who is taxed, but rather how elastic supply and demand are.

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              It literally doesn’t. The price is the same either way. Reduced demand from the higher tax makes it so producers will lower prices. This is really basic microeconomics.

              From Wikipedia: “tax burden does not depend on where the revenue is collected, but on the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply”

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence

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                Reduced demand from the higher tax makes it so producers will lower prices.

                I have never once seen this happen… i just see prices rise

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          Wouldn’t the price go up irrespective of which side you tax it on? Obviously if this is a megacorp, they could spread it out over unrelated products, but in the end its not like theyll roll over, take the corporate tax and leave the product at the old price. Is it being a poor tax even that bad of a thing? This is not a necessity and poor people are generally going to be the ones that suffer from poor diet / lifestyle choices in very big part due to the price/calorie aspect of junkfood et al. Lets be real, if you buy a bar once a week, 1.29->3.29 is not a big deal.

          Also, we do have tax on sugarry soft drinks in the EU (atleast my country), it is just laughably small compared to EtOH and tobacco). I personally always have thought that anything with added sugar beyond a certain amount should get a heavy tax, conditional on this tax being funneled into healthcare / public health programs.

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            Wouldn’t the price go up irrespective of which side you tax it on?

            Not necessarily, companies might just stop putting sugar where it doesn’t belong. They do it right now because corn syrup is free and why don’t just put it everywhere.

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        Whoa settle down there

        Sucrose is 1:1 glucose/ fructose which is near the optimal 0.8 ratio for fueling endurance activities

        I rode 100 miles solo in less than 5 hours Sunday on 360g sucrose in 4 750ml bottles

        It’sa lot cheaper than all that fancy SIS/skratch etc

        Carbs aren’t poison if you move your body

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          Yeah I consume near 400g carbs every day and am fine as a competitive powerlifter who also runs (which is rare lol). You just can’t be sitting on your ass all day.

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            The issue is how much hidden sugar there is, especially in the US. Just look at how many things include stuff like corn syrup when it isn’t all that necessary.

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          Sure, but so few people are high energy athletes who can legitimately burn the sugar right away.

          My comment was really about the great majority of people for whom sugar consumption is a path to metabolic disease, diabetes, and early death

          I still support a tax on sugar as it would reduce consumption overall, but for those wealthy enough to exercise hard a sugar tax would hardly hurt

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              It’s probably a U shaped curve where you can devote (or have to devote) significant time to exercise at very low incomes, but it becomes harder at working poor sort of levels, then easy again at a certain level above poverty

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        I don’t doubt the number, that means 0.5l soda is 5 times the daily rate!

        And when you drink sugar free, your body still crave the sugar.

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          I recently lost 100lbs partially thanks to Diet Mountain Dew, Mountain Dew Zero, and a world of sugar free energy drinks. I also gained 40 lbs of muscle mass.

          Note that I gained much of the weight due to major medical issues which left me bedridden for an extended period of time (years). I don’t have the fastest metabolism in the world, so it took a lot of work to melt the pounds off. I could not have done it without diet soda/energy drinks.

          The only reason researchers been able to determine for diet soda not contributing to weight loss/“fat” disease prevention is that (current studies are showing) we (consciously or subconsciously) attempt to replace those missing calories with more sugar, rather than cutting back. While there have been studies on the effects of artificial sweeteners on insulin production, etc. they are mostly inconclusive.

          If you are shooting for a low carb/low calorie diet, a good diet soda is a safe choice. Don’t let others make you miserable. Just make sure you aren’t pulling in extra calories elsewhere.

          Regardless of what type of diet you follow, remember that weight loss boils down to calories out > calories in. Most of your calories come from carbs, so taking on a more active lifestyle with a high protein/low carb diet will ultimately help you lose weight and build muscle mass. Just don’t skimp on the protein (you want most of your calories to come from protein) because you will also be burning some muscle mass unless you actively try to prevent it. Keep a food journal and write down everything you eat/drink. Some dietary choices you make without realizing may surprise you.

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            I lost 70 pounds over about four months last year primarily via calorie counting. I know it’s anecdotal, but I absolutely felt hungrier after the same meal if I had a diet soda with it compared to an unsweetened iced tea, or even an iced tea with a sugar packet or two. It’s great that you have the willpower to stick to the rest of your diet regardless, but there is definitely a reason people recommend cutting it out to make it easier to follow a plan.

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              Have you tried coke zero? I can’t stand diet coke but I like coke zero well enough

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                its the aspartame any thing with that will cause my throat to fill with thick mucus after just a few ounces. I used to drink big red zero since it use splenda and that was fine.

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      Would love to see an updated graph. I feel like everyone gained 50lbs in the last three years.

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    i hate when i go down south and go to restaurants and order iced tea and get a glass of concentrated sugar water

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      I don’t see the point of having reposts here, not like there’s visible karma or anything.

      Also, I loved you in that thing!

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          Or simply because not everyone sees every single post and knows it’s a repost…

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            Do you not know of the internet repost database? It’s a repository of all posts ever made to every website. You’re supposed to go to it every time you want to post something.

            It’s over here… In my basement. It also has cookies.

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              So you’re saying you want me to come over to your basement, eat cookies and browse memes? I’m in.

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          Very true. Maybe it’s better to say that I don’t think repost are a problem here yet, and I don’t expect it to be due to the lack of visible karma.

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          And if it’s the first time you’ve seen that xkcd link, congratulations, you are one of today’s meta-10000

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    Well, it’s the gays or atheists. Or “colored” people. Or whoever they are told to hate at that moment. This happens more than you know in this day and age:

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        Of course they can tell, how else are they going to pick their preferred partners to cheat on their wives with.

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      I’ve lived in the deep south for over 40 years in small towns, and have never witnessed a single instance of any minority being denied service at any establishment.

      Has anyone reading this actually ever seen that happen in real life?

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        This is anecdotal but I have seen this as a gay man living in Ohio. My whole family is from the sticks but I live just outside a major city now. There’s a pizza place back home that my fiance and I can’t go to because they won’t serve him (he is, admittedly, quite fabulous). I can go alone, because I blend in, but him they will just quietly ignore and occasionally glance over to check if he’s gotten the hint yet. No yelling, no epithets, but no service either.

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          Sad to hear these stories, but I did ask for it. I can’t discount your experience because mine is as anecdotal as yours.

          I hope these stories are rare though, and I also hope that anyone who does experience any of these kinds of discrimination will put the businesses “on blast” as the kids say by posting their experiences on social media to give them the stink that they deserve.

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            Thanks, I didn’t realize it happened either until one day it happened to me. Then it happened again, and again. Not frequent, and not always as tangible as being denied pizza, but little things here and there in the way people look at me and treat me that only started happening after I came out. I have yet to experience any actual violence, but the general vibe is such that I don’t feel comfortable being out and am considering moving to a more friendly state.

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          I don’t think that’s homophobia as much as rude staff who ignore people who aren’t assertive. I’m not stereotypically gay/flamboyant but get ignored a lot in restaurants and stores because I’m somewhat quiet when I’m alone.

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            While I appreciate where you’re coming from, I can assure you that, in this scenario, it was very much a case of homophobia. Unless everyone there grew new personalities at the same time that I came out.

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              Idk that’s fair. But there is a big difference between how people treat others that I see and how they treat me at some restaurants.

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            Nope, what Prussia_X86 said sounds very much like homophobia. They won’t serve his flamboyant fiance because he looks and acts “gay”, and if they knew that Prussia_X86 was gay they wouldn’t serve him either. While not all gays are as flamboyant as that his fiance sounds like, plenty are, and while not all flamboyant men aren’t gay (or even attracted to men among other genders), a good chunk are. There’s a reason a lot of people assume that flamboyant men are gay, and it’s because a lot of them are.

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              What I’m saying is that there isn’t a reason to assume that’s why they were ignoring him.

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        I grew up in FL and was denied service 2 separate times for being mixed race. This occurred in the early 2000s. Both times the restaurants were subtlety segregated and they refused to seat us in either section.

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        Yep. I grew up in the mountains of NC. When I was a kid, the mayor of our town was the head of the local KKK sect. Needless to say, non-white people were generally not found in that town.

        Attitudes did change over the following years, so that was nice.

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        It might be because you aren’t a visible minority that you haven’t witnessed it, you don’t notice it happening because it’s not on your radar that it could happen.

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        I am not from the deep south but close enough. I haven’t seen anything like what people online seem to think it’s like around here, it’s overly exaggerated. That’s not to say discrimination doesn’t ever happen, I’m sure there’s pockets here and there. I personally don’t know a single person who is ok with that crap.

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        No thanks, my town has less than 6000 population, and I can easily afford my mortgage on my house that sits on an acre of land. It’s nice being my own landlord, and I can do whatever the fuck I want here.

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          Are people in your town nice to gay colored atheists? The only small town I’ve been to like that is Provincetown, and it’s not particularly cheap.

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            Some of them yes, some of them no probably. I don’t know very many people here, because I simply don’t give a fuck about going around meeting people.

            I would say there is most likely no business in this town that would turn away any minority, because bigotry is widely recognized as being bad for business. Every store or restaurant that I’ve visited had a diverse clientele.

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    As a server, southerners stare at me in wide eyed awe when I pour a disgusting amount of simple syrup into a glass of iced tea.

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    This seems like a US thing I’m too European to understand

    (aka. they bring us the ingredients, and we make our own tea at the restaurant table)

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      What’s called sweet tea in the US is overwhelmingly sweet. That was my reaction to it the first time I tried it. It’s so sweet, the only way you can get that much sugar in it is if you dissolve that sugar in hot tea.

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          I don’t know if you need to be told this.

          Pay the money and buy real maple syrup, not ‘pancake syrup.’ Real maple syrup is one of the best tastes on the planet.

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        Sweet tea can have as much sugar as soda. You would need to add 10-15 sugar packets to a single glass of iced tea to have the equivalent amount of sugar.

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        Not true about being able to only dissolve the sugar in hot tea, because if it was, the sugar would fall out once it cooled. You can dissolve the sugar into cold tea, it just takes more effort (so time and mixing) than doing it with hot tea and then cooling it. Cold water can hold approx. 1.7g of sugar per gram of water.

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          well it ain’t no PG TIPS but it will make a gallon of oddly flavored water cooked in the sun, which when chilled and enhanced with fresh lemon juice and served over ice, is dope

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            well it ain’t no PG TIPS but it will make a gallon of oddly flavored water

            Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

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              Listen, you stupid machine. It tastes filthy! Here take this cup back!

              [He throws cup at NutriMatic]

              NUTRIMATIC DRINK DISPENSER: If you have enjoyed the experience of this drink, why not share it with your friends?

              ARTHUR: Because I want to keep them! Will you try and comprehend what I’m telling you? That drink -

              NUTRIMATIC DRINK DISPENSER: …that drink was individually tailored to meet your personal requirements for nutrition and pleasure

              ARTHUR: Ah! So I’m a masochist on a diet, am I?!

              NUTRIMATIC DRINK DISPENSER: Share and enjoy.

              ARTHUR: Oh shut up.

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      Yeah in the US they have this thing called sweet tea (some places have a choice between sweet and unsweetened tea).

      To make sweet tea they just unload a tanker truck full of gum syrup into cold tea. That’s what it tastes like to me.

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      Sweet tea is a drink prepared hot but consumed cold. The cold part is best done via refrigeration. Bringing hot water, tea, and sugar are not going to achieve the same results.

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    “four seasons-having piece of shit” lol I’m going to start discriminating against people based on their seasons.

    “Everybody is welcome at my house!.. as long as you’ve experienced snow, that is”

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        I moved from Pennsylvania to Louisiana when I was a teenager, and was most bummed about losing out on snow boarding. Now when I’m out traveling, I get to explain how fun (and practical) “hurricane parties” are. Everywhere is strange when you’re a stranger I guess

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          True, but in the case of L.A. it’s a little weirder because you can see snow if you look at the mountains in the winter and it isn’t a very long trip to get to that snow, so it’s more of a by choice thing.

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            OK, that is kinda weird to me too. I haven’t been out that way yet, so I forget that there’s mountains right there too. And the more I think about it, the weirder it seems. Why wouldn’t the curiosity or even the novelty drive someone to try and go see what’s kinda right there? Maybe I just think snow is cool and am biased lol

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              Part of it, I think, is that you get so accustomed to the warm climate that you just hate being cold. When I first moved there, it was in the 60s and I had my windows open and the apartment manager stopped by and was shocked that I had the windows open when it was so cold out. And then within maybe 5 years, I felt the same way. And now I’m back in Indiana and, again, it took a few years, but now I’m back to opening the windows when it’s in the 60s and wearing shorts and a light jacket when it’s in the 50s.

              But still, you would think curiosity would be enough to drive you to do it at least one time.

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            LA traffic kind of makes it a long trip unless you live on the outskirts.

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        When I taught in Compton I remember asking the kids if they had gone anywhere interesting during their summer break. One kid raised his hand and said he “went to LA”. It was like a 15-20 minute bus ride away.

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          Holy shit, everyone’s gonna be blind in 50 years! I’m not discounting Climate Change by any means, but why is nobody talking about this vision change you speak of?

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        It’s worth the trip, I promise. I grew up in Phoenix so I didn’t see it for a long time. It’s nuts. It absorbs sound really well, so after fresh snowfall, everything is so quiet it’s surreal. And then you hear the sound and sensation of walking through it, which is an experience in and of itself.

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          There is absolutely nothing more amazing than an early morning walk after a fresh snowfall.

          The whole world seems better in those few hours before people wake up and ruin it.

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          It can also feel a bit eerie. Being one of the few people downtown in Seattle after a big snow is creepily silent. The random people cross country skiing to get around almost seem to sneak up behind you. When you see people snowmobiling down 1st Ave, you start to wonder if the world has ended.

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        I do hope you get the chance someday, it’s always cool to experience something new in nature like that. I still really want to see the Aurora Borealis someday!

        But still… stay tf away from me until you’ve experienced snow, you warm-climated monster! I hope you have a good day though

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    Sugar will dissolve in unsweet tea, it’s just slower. If you can’t dissolve it in cold tea, then it wouldn’t stay in solution in hot tea that was cooled down.

    For someone complaining about northerners not knowing 9th grade chemistry, it sure sounds like they weren’t paying attention themselves.

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      Chemistry knowledge! Sweet tea is actually a supersaturated solution. That means there more sugar in the water than could normally be held in suspension. This is achieved by heating the water so you can dissolve more solute in and then chilling it. Remember theres at least 2 diabetes worth of sugar per glass.

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        That’s kind of disgusting. So southern style sweet tea is basically just tea flavored simple syrup?

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          Yea, when my family did a trip down south, i asked for some sweet tea, thinking it was like Brisk, but i couldnt believe how sweet it was.

          if your drink is sweeter than pop, its… scary.

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            According to Wikipedia:

            it is not unusual to find sweet tea with a sugar level as high as 22 degrees Brix, or 22 g per 100 g of liquid, a level twice that of Coca-Cola."

            Coca-Cola already has a disgusting amount of sugar. The mere idea of this makes me queasy.

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          Depends on who makes it… McDonald’s, 7-11, and the like use about twice the amount of sugar that’s really necessary and it does not make it better.

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        Masshole that lives in the south I have no idea how everyone I know isn’t on insulin. Sweet tea is an abomination of sugar.

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        Where did you get that? It would be like honey if that was correct. Also, that is not called suspension but solution, since the particles dissolve (unlike fat in milk, but that is an emulsion since the fat is a liquid).

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        I thought a supersaturated solution could easily be brought out of supersaturation by something like sticking a spoon in it? Am I misremembering?

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        I highly doubt that, since any shock or impurity would cause a supersaturated solution to separate into a solution and the excess sugar.

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      You’re technically correct, but completely missing the point that folks want to be able to actually drink it a reasonably short time after it’s been served.

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    Damn, I knew sugar was bad for you, but boy it looks like it can make you really irritable. Stop drinking so much sugar y’all. It’s nasty.

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      honestly I’m straight up addicted to Nestea Zero. My teeth aren’t rotting out and I’m not worried about diabetes but I need to get off this stuff

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    I mean it would be inconvenient but they would still dissolve, they aren’t super saturating sweetened tea in the south.

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        No, even with the 2 cups of sugar per gallon it seems to make sweetend tea it still isn’t super saturating the mixture. It might make it take longer to dissolve but it’s not because the tea is fully saturated. They could put 4 cute per gallon and it still wouldn’t be fully saturated, even when cold.

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          This is correct, it’s sad to see that you’re getting downvoted for pointing that out. People aren’t seeing that It’s about how rate of dissolution is affected by temperature, not saturation point. Even in the south it isn’t supersaturated (although it does get very close to saturation when chilled with some brands). More would still dissolve when cold, just very, very slowly (‘vigorously stirring overnight’ slowly…)

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        Not quite. It gets close to saturation with some of the sweetest brands, but typically no. See below comment for where this confusion is coming from. Remember that rate of dissolution varies as temperature…

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    Maybe the amount of sugar that cold water easily accepts is the correct amount to not taste like shit

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      Yeah, and if you saturate hot tea, won’'t the sugar simply materialize back as the tea gets colder? Seems to me that nothing about this has to do with saturation.

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        Water can dissolve a ridiculous amount of sugar even at room temp. For an average 12 oz glass of tea, the most sugar that could dissolve is a whopping 700 grams. One packet of sugar is about 5 grams. At the saturation point it would be basically syrup thickness, too.

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        Yes. Not sure what the other person is on about. Hot water can have more sugar dissolved in it. When it cools it crystalizes but only if the saturation level is higher than what the water can hold. It’s how rock candy is made. This is like basic chemistry.

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          It’s not about achieving saturation, it’s about how quickly it dissolves. The sugar packets would absolutely dissolve, if you stir vigorously for half an hour… Rate of dissolving varies as temperature. 9th grade chemistry…

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            That wasn’t the original argument now was it? If you’re going to move goalposts then at least be halfway correct the first time.

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          And here I was happy to learn something new on social media contradicting my previous knowledge lol. But yeah, I definitely intend on having a basic chemistry refresher video now!

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            Hot water dissolves it much quicker, giving the illusion that it dissolved more. It’s not actually saturated when you’re trying to stir it into cold tea, it just dissolves extremely slowly. If you were to saturate it while hot (which would take an insane amount of sugar), then yes, it would recrystalise. But in pracrice, you need to dissolve it while hot because the more energetic molecular motion in the solution dissolves the sugar faster, since the heat is causing more effective collisions. Saturation point and the change thereof is, contrary to the proposal above, not a factor here, since everything is happening well below that point even with the sweetest teas commercially available.

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        No, I can assure you sugar does not re-crystalize after being mixed in hot tea. It is super interesting how differently people view this subject just based on where they grew up.

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          You’re right with normal tea, but normal tea is never saturated. If you added another pound or so of sugar while hot, then let it cool, it would absolutely recrystalise (barring supersaturation). But you’re right, that’s not a factor in normal tea. It’s about the rate of dissolution (which also depends on temperature), not saturation point.

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          That is very interesting, and not something I remember from my very limited exposure to chemistry in school. Thanks for clearing that up!

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            That is only because it’s not saturated. If you added an ungodly amount of sucrose (and I like it ridiculously sweet but this would be undrinkable), it would recrystalise when chilled. That’s why there’s a controversy here. A saturated solution would recrystallise, but people are pointing out that tea obviously doesn’t do that. That’s simply because no one drinks it saturated. It’s hard to stir in while cold because the rate of dissolution varies as temperature. That’s why there’s some confusing as to thinking it’s about the saturation point. It’s actually below it in both cases (hot and cold). To learn more about that mechanism, read about how reaction rate is affected by temperature.