I’ve also been here since the beginning and my memory serves me to tell me that not only was the volcel vanguard stuff here from the start, but it was here on the subreddit.

The meme, sure. Horny posting wasn’t reigned in until a little later.

And I’m sorry but even though you seem to remember a different early hexbear than I do, the fact that volcel police culture has always existed here since before hexbear even existed but harassment has still happened tells me that posting an emoji every time someone says something vaguely horny isnt actually fighting harassment.

This just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. No interventions aside from banning everyone and shutting the site down will mean harassment doesn’t happen anymore. Followed to its logical conclusion, you’d be opposed to every single attempt to reign in harassment. You aren’t saying we should do nothing, of course, but your logic makes no sense. I also already said this. Is there any chance you are frustrated and are responding in an escalatory way?

And like you can cite marginalized groups but I know poc and/or queer people on this site who don’t agree with the anti-horny culture so.

Of course. None of those groups as monoliths, so we should expect some diversity of opinion. This is not an argument against basically anything, ever. There are pro-cop black people, sex pest trans people, Nazi Latinos, etc etc (not saying anyone you’re talking about is any of those things, just pointing out that this is basically a generalization of the illogic of “I have a black friend so I can’t be racist”). We should weight positions and experiences in aggregate and on what actually works or does not for our goals.

Feel free to collect your examples and present them to mods, i.e not me. I have seen far more people harassed off of the site than you’ve mentioned here.

I actually do mod a small community

How many active users per day?

As for blahaj.zone, I only saw it a bit before defederation but I understand that the problem there is a smaller version of the problem on 196. Where the mods aren’t taking action against actual confirmed chasers being chasery. The problem that a community like that is going to experience is how to allow, for example, transbians the beauty of other trans women (which is what a LOT of the posts on 196 that attract chasers seem to be initially) without attracting/allowing chasers

They inherently run at odds and that’s why those spaces are full of chasers and sexual harassment. Even if your mods do their best, the people you attract to those spaces will be more likely to be fetishizing and only there to do so and you’ll only be able to remove offending content, not prevent people from initially seeing it. Also in case it’s relevant, for infosec reasons in a left space we should never encourage people to post pictures of themselves, even for 100% valid affirmation.

This doesn’t just apply to queer posting, it’s for anyone that gets fetishized. For example, places that allow sexual posts of the most normative cis women ever also have this problem. This is before getting into the inherent challenge of supporting people while objectifying them, which I won’t state a conclusion on other than to say that it can go wrong very easily.

For me the answer on a trans focused community is not to ban transbians from vocally being attracted to other trans women

I don’t think that applies here, does it?

And if chasers are attracted by posts like that… y’all really think its a good idea to punish trans women for the behavior of cis chasers?

Do you think that’s a fair characterization? I’ll just note that one of the people we had to kick out of an irl org for harassment was exclusively t4t.