This is not what Ligotti says. In fact, in The Conspiracy Against the Human Race he has a whole section about why philosophical pessimists are not obliged to kill themselves, and that he thinks there’s a very large difference between “everybody needs to kill themselves and everybody else to end humanity and therefore suffering right now” and “maybe we should stop having kids and let our species die so we don’t bring anybody else into this world built solely for suffering.” He even has a whole little thought experiment how the “last humans” could live in a kind of utopia with mass material abundance as humanity winds down.
It makes me so angry that people will like and nod along to this horrific garbage. I wish people had actual conception of others’ feelings and just didn’t boost concepts that actually hurt people. Your abstract Jack-off Shadow the Hedgehog shit matters infinitely less than the depressed people and families who have likely lived through mourning suicide because of concepts like this.
The reason he believes this is because he thinks it’s simply too hard to get everyone to kill themselves. If a button could be pressed that did it without any issue he would do it in a heartbeat. This is not logically consistent, because he is simply a coward too afraid to outright state what he believes because he knows what people would do to his reputation.
Also, the position of anti-natalism isn’t really logically consistent in and of itself, because it presumes a kind of objective morality that doesn’t exist. There is no reason or incentive for people to not just have kids.
And, life is not malignantly useless at all. We do not fully understand the fundamentals of life but it is not an impossibility as of yet for life to exist that does not existentially suffer. The idea that that is impossible is merely assumed (waved away; mocked despite the multitude of times human beings themselves live, if even for a moment, without suffering) to make one’s own ideas more important seeming than they are.
I will not tolerate people defending those who fetishize suicide and mental health issues. Go fuck yourself.
Edit: Also his idea that pleasure is illusory but pain isn’t is silly and absurd. Both are either equally illusory or equally real. I am not talking about their abstract moral values because the thing I do not think Ligotti nor the majority of people get is that those moral values are not real and do not actually exist in and of themselves under any circumstance.
This is not what Ligotti says. In fact, in The Conspiracy Against the Human Race he has a whole section about why philosophical pessimists are not obliged to kill themselves, and that he thinks there’s a very large difference between “everybody needs to kill themselves and everybody else to end humanity and therefore suffering right now” and “maybe we should stop having kids and let our species die so we don’t bring anybody else into this world built solely for suffering.” He even has a whole little thought experiment how the “last humans” could live in a kind of utopia with mass material abundance as humanity winds down.
sorry, I’m being very hostile but this is obviously not something I am able to talk about for my mental health. I am sorry for attacking you
It makes me so angry that people will like and nod along to this horrific garbage. I wish people had actual conception of others’ feelings and just didn’t boost concepts that actually hurt people. Your abstract Jack-off Shadow the Hedgehog shit matters infinitely less than the depressed people and families who have likely lived through mourning suicide because of concepts like this.
The reason he believes this is because he thinks it’s simply too hard to get everyone to kill themselves. If a button could be pressed that did it without any issue he would do it in a heartbeat. This is not logically consistent, because he is simply a coward too afraid to outright state what he believes because he knows what people would do to his reputation.
Also, the position of anti-natalism isn’t really logically consistent in and of itself, because it presumes a kind of objective morality that doesn’t exist. There is no reason or incentive for people to not just have kids.
And, life is not malignantly useless at all. We do not fully understand the fundamentals of life but it is not an impossibility as of yet for life to exist that does not existentially suffer. The idea that that is impossible is merely assumed (waved away; mocked despite the multitude of times human beings themselves live, if even for a moment, without suffering) to make one’s own ideas more important seeming than they are.
I will not tolerate people defending those who fetishize suicide and mental health issues. Go fuck yourself.
Edit: Also his idea that pleasure is illusory but pain isn’t is silly and absurd. Both are either equally illusory or equally real. I am not talking about their abstract moral values because the thing I do not think Ligotti nor the majority of people get is that those moral values are not real and do not actually exist in and of themselves under any circumstance.