I was listening to some writings on Marx by Lenin the other day and as far as I understood it: materialism is the idea that consciousness is a byproduct material interactions within reality as opposed to the idealist conception that reality only exists within and as a construct of consciousness. Marx extended the materialist conception in dialectical materialism to consider social interactions and structures as material conditions that are also required to produce consciousness. Lenin also writes of Marx’s belief that religion and theology is inherently idealist, and that ideas like agnosticism that tried reconcile religion and materialism were reactionary or a “shame-faced way of surreptitiously accepting materialism, while denying it before the world”.

the above paragraph is of course a gross oversimplification of idealism, materialism and dialectical materialism, and may be partially or entirely wrong. I found the original text to be quite difficult to comprehend and this is just how I understood it, so if I’m wrong about anything please correct me.

moving on, it seems to me that many Marxist-Leninists think that one of many contributing factors to the decline and collapse of the USSR was the suppression of religion, especially as it did not seem to be particularly effective given how quickly religion returned after the collapse. with all the aforementioned in mind, I have a few questions:

  • do you think that religion is antithetical to dialectical materialism?

  • was suppression of religion in the USSR enforced out of a belief by the party that it contradicted the principles of Marxism–Leninism?

  • would a socialist state with a party that strictly adhered to Marxism–Leninism but allowed religious freedom among its citizenship be stable?

  • would a hypothetical state be able to cultivate material conditions that lead people to willingly give up religion, if said state decided that religion was a threat to its sovereignty?

  • have you personally experienced any cognitive dissonance from simultaneously holding religious and Marxist-Leninist beliefs?

  • I haven’t read/listened to a whole lot of theory, what literature would you recommend to better understand dialectical materialism?

  • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    I can’t find the quote, but maybe you can. In it Marx laments how capital robs the people of the ability to properly worship their gods/religions, and instead redirects that worship to capital itself.

    Cuba allows Christians (even Catholics afaik) into the party, has for decades. Cuba has close ties to liberation theologists throughout latin america, because Cuba is thankfully not run by r/atheismbros. Cuba is the most stable ML state I am aware of.

    They allow religious freedom and many Cubans are Catholics, but they do not allow the church to have freedom. That’s the important key. When the government was preparing to hold elections on constitution reform to be more inclusive of LGBT people wrt families, the Catholic Church was complaining that the government prohibited them from using the media to spread anti LGBT propaganda.

    • Mardoniush [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      9 months ago

      The formal hierarchy was, but a number of Catholic youth organisations actually spearheaded the law, and even the priesthood wasn’t remotely monolithic.

      Cuba is in many ways an example of hpw Socialist relations can alter the material nature of a religion without eliminating it. Another of course is the Islamic majority states of the USSR.