• Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    I also recognize that he use the strongest words he could for the given situation

    No? Unless you think that it’s impossible to be an american politician without sucking Israel’s dick. In which case I hope you recognise that it’s not a democracy, and that because you recognise that you’re also advocating for revolution and not advocating for voting democrats. I doubt all of that though. You’re a lib that will support them even as their bombs drop on children.

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      9 months ago

      without sucking Israel’s dick

      It sure feels that way, I have wanted to have a deeper conversation about a Palestinian state for the last 30 years but were so stuck in Israel is our ally and push back against radical Islam that we cant recognize our efforts compound the problem and the hate.

      I think its also rather clear to see what happens when a representative steps up and is willing to speak the truth about Israel.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57436573

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        It sure feels that way, I have wanted to have a deeper conversation about a Palestinian state for the last 30 years but were so stuck in Israel is our ally and push back against radical Islam that we cant recognize our efforts compound the problem and the hate.

        Here’s a fun fact: the U.S. does not want to push back against “radical Islam.” From support to the Grey Wolves in Turkey (NATO), to the Mujihadeen, to ISIS, “radical Islam” has found support wherever it furthers Western imperialist interests.

        “[Graham Fuller, CIA, stated that] the policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them [Muslims] against our adversaries worked marvelously well in Afghanistan against the Red Army. The same doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power, and especially to counter the Chinese influence in Central Asia. This policy of destabilization was devised by Bernard Lewis, an Oxford University specialist on Islamic studies, who called for the creation of an ‘Arc of Crisis’ around the southern borders of the Soviet Union by empowering Muslim radicals to rebel against their Communist overlords.” – Paul L. Williams, Operation Gladio, p. 271.

        With regards to the Palestinian state, Israel is only “our ally” due to its role in the Middle East as a haven for European Jewish opportunism/separatism, and as a Western settler-colonial power as seen in Herzl’s appeals to Britain.

        And compounding the hate? Do you think the U.S. is oblivious to the fact that Israel’s identification of its settler-colonial terrorism with the Jewish people, bombing under the banner of the Star of David (despite oppression of Yemeni and Ethiopian Jews/farcical desecration of religious and cultural symbols), only furthers antisemitism across the region, which is then used retroactively to justify further oppression? Are you seriously under the impression that those in command of the U.S., despite being so concerned with Hamas, have not read their 2017 Charter which perfectly lays this out (and this has of course been said prior)? The U.S. is no better than Israel, and cannot cleanse itself by revoking support to Israel, a state only more brutal in that it is in its infancy, and still does not have the sufficient reach to designate all its atrocities to be carried out by proxy groups.

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        9 months ago

        Your example is Ilhan Omar? Who is still broadly pretty popular in her district and notably still in office, she just had some democrat leadership yell at her and tone police her a couple times? She’s been calling this a genocide since october and… surprise surprise, she’s fine. If anything people have more respect for her now.

        This genocide has changed the landscape, it’s out in the open and Isntrael have dropped the mask, dropped almost all pretense, so for bernie to continue to be soft on Israel, acting like it’s still the 2010s is fucking shortsighted even in his own self interest, and for political popularity.

        AND Bernie isn’t even a dem, and he’s a well established incumbent senator, so he’s even more isolated from that sort of establishment pressure the article you linked describes.