That’s what Huffman was saying BEFORE the blackout. Now that 8476/8838 subreddits are currently dark, I wonder what he would say now? I don’t really see how Reddit recovers from this. It’s sad because I loved it and there’s nothing else like it (yet), but there would need to be some major changes taking place before a lot of people consider venturing back.
That 8838 is the number of subs who pledged to protest in some capacity. A lot of them are big subreddits, but still. It’s not like they’ve cut off access to 90% of the site like some people think.
Yeah but how many of those millions are ghost towns?, since a lot of the biggest subs are participating I’m more curious about how reddit will handle it, replacing the mods in every one of them? That’s a lot of man power, I hope whoever they put in charge isn’t an idiot that does it for free, and what’s more funny is that the best mod tools rely on the API and 3rd party access.
At the very least I expect a decline in quality content and spam, trolls, bots etc.
If they have any kind of archive of past mod decisions then they can just dump all that into a neural net. And then they get to look all sexy in their upcoming IPO because they are using ⭐️⭐️⭐️ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE⭐️⭐️⭐️ like all the ⭐️⭐️⭐️SEXIEST⭐️⭐️⭐️ companies!!!1! No more of those annoying unpaid volunteers to get uppity any more!
I, for one, do not welcome our new AI moderation overlords, and will probably be done with Reddit if this happens. But I just know someone there has to be pushing for this.
It would take a considerable while to train an in-house LLM AI for moderation purposes, and even if it was trained honestly it would at least be consistent whereas you can get away with breaking mod rules as long as your meme made them chuckle, etc.
Who cares, AI will become a part of Lemmy too and I’m just done with reddit anyways.
Oh I’m not saying these putative AI mods would be any better than existing Reddit mods. They’d probably be even more arbitrary and capricious and unappealable, and I sure don’t expect them to be anywhere near fully-trained. But they’d be owned by Reddit, who would now be ⭐️⭐️⭐️AN AI COMPANY⭐️⭐️⭐️, which is the replacement for “the blockchain” as a thing you vaguely mention your company using if you want rich, dumb investors to wet their pants and throw tons of money at you.
even assuming reddit can ship an “AI moderation bot” that kinda works in the upcoming week (which will be the feat of the year), quality will start going down long before it can moderate at a good enough capacity to work well.
Yeah, but those subs contain the majority of redditor interaction.
~70k people on a sub is enough to put it into the top 5%. The top 1% subs are very likely responsible for 50%+ of all reddit posts. Losing just a handful of them is a big deal.
Unfortunately in a few hours most of those subreddits will open back up and it’ll be business as normal. The ones that don’t open will be transferred over to new moderators and they’ll resume normal operation too.
Realistically, for the most part, not much will change for Reddit. A lot has changed for me and you, though. I’ve diversified my entertainment and don’t intend to lurk the same website for hours a day. I like Lemmy, and I like the people here but Reddit is too old and too encompassing to never visit it again.
The problem is that there is a lot of great crowd-sourced knowledge on Reddit on everything from programming to which microwave oven I should buy. It’s going to take time to replace that, if it can be done.
It can be done, it just won’t be done while Reddit is up. Eventually it will go away and that knowledge will have to be rediscovered and reposted elsewhere.
if you do this just remember to redact your comments and posts FIRST and do it only while the subs are live tomorrow not dark right not. read a different post that thishas something to do with what reddit keep and can use.
Me, too. I am also a Reddit transplant, and I still don’t understand everything here (also trying mastodon, but they can share users? I admit, I don’t get it, lol), but I’m hopeful that enough people will make the move. I was on Reddit for 15 years, on the old Reddit desktop website, then on RIF when I got a smartphone. I won’t use Reddit’s app, it sucks, so, that’s that.
Yea, My sub is only going dark from the 12th - 14th, i already replicated the sub here. but its not Reddit 0_o I don’t think anything will ever replace reddit but give it sometime and after the exodus on the 30th this will be the only place to be. RedReader on Reddit is a good third party app for reddit (On Android) But its a learning curve but good. I heard it had immunity from the 3p app list cause of its accessibilty.
Well it forced me to look for alternative.
People won’t necessarily stick with Lemmy right now, but they know there are alternative, some of their name and what it looks like.
Personally I have looked at Lemmy and nine or kine (something like that) and I think it’s pretty close.
Piggy backing off this to remind people that after multiple reports of a child porn seller on reddit were either ignored or claimed to not to violate TOS, spez personally banned me for harassment after I asked him to intervene.
I think Reddit will have a somewhat significant loss in users but it’ll endure, at least for the time being. Social media sites die slower now. But I’m happy I found alternatives because I just can’t see myself using their official app
I think this is probably a good thing, it might keep dumb people away.
As an aside, it’s starting to irritate me how often I see people complain the fediverse/threadiverse is too complex or too difficult to understand. I mean, you managed to understand that email accounts live on different servers, but you can’t apply that same mental logic to forums living on different servers?
I am fairly tech savvy. It took me some time to understand the fediverse and how it works. The thing is, you need to read stuff to understand. That is well above the capabilities of like 80% of people. Oh, and you won’t believe how many people I have met that have no idea what a server is or how email works. Trust me, the bar for entry is pretty high for the average joe. It’s a good filter though.
Having spent the last couple of decades in tech support I’d say you’re being very generous with the estimate of ~20% of people being willing and able to read so they can understand something…
The part that confused and pushed me away is the fact that depending on which email server you sign up for, you may not be able to send or receive an email to a server that may or may not already exist. If the person/group that runs the instance you signed up for defederates something, you’re out of luck if you wanted to use that instance without making a dedicated account over there. It also doesn’t help that the federation of different instances isn’t automatic or retroactive. Someone on your instance has to subscribe to something on another instance for the federation to start, and it only starts pulling content from that point forward. If you want to see older content you have to go to that instance at a minimum, and maybe sign up for that instance depending on what it is. Those are the biggest factors against the Fediverse, in my opinion.
Completely agree. Fediverse is cool in theory, but I don’t know if I’m fully convinced it’s a workable replacement as a content aggregator that we’ve come to expect in this day and age. Hell, you already have instances like lemmy.ml banning people for posting news stories that show China or Russia in a negative light. And lemmy.ml is one of the default instances advertised when you look into Lemmy! That’s a terrible first impression for new users and I think it’s going to turn a lot of people away if censorship is a common occurence on bigger instances.
Also, the Lemmy app on Android is not very good. I can’t even upvoted any comments or posts because it constantly times out.
That all being said, I’m cautiously optimistic that devs will be able to improve the platform over time. Like I said, the Fediverse is cool in theory and I like the concept, but it does have some major drawbacks for content consumers, as you pointed out.
agree- reddit is a fucking big house that won’t burn down to the ground in a day. we’re should take comfort though in the fact that spez keri’s throwing fuel in the fire hastening it’s demise.
That’s what Huffman was saying BEFORE the blackout. Now that 8476/8838 subreddits are currently dark, I wonder what he would say now? I don’t really see how Reddit recovers from this. It’s sad because I loved it and there’s nothing else like it (yet), but there would need to be some major changes taking place before a lot of people consider venturing back.
There are 3.1 million subreddits.
That 8838 is the number of subs who pledged to protest in some capacity. A lot of them are big subreddits, but still. It’s not like they’ve cut off access to 90% of the site like some people think.
Yeah but how many of those millions are ghost towns?, since a lot of the biggest subs are participating I’m more curious about how reddit will handle it, replacing the mods in every one of them? That’s a lot of man power, I hope whoever they put in charge isn’t an idiot that does it for free, and what’s more funny is that the best mod tools rely on the API and 3rd party access.
At the very least I expect a decline in quality content and spam, trolls, bots etc.
My bet? AI.
If they have any kind of archive of past mod decisions then they can just dump all that into a neural net. And then they get to look all sexy in their upcoming IPO because they are using ⭐️⭐️⭐️ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE⭐️⭐️⭐️ like all the ⭐️⭐️⭐️SEXIEST⭐️⭐️⭐️ companies!!!1! No more of those annoying unpaid volunteers to get uppity any more!
I, for one, do not welcome our new AI moderation overlords, and will probably be done with Reddit if this happens. But I just know someone there has to be pushing for this.
It would take a considerable while to train an in-house LLM AI for moderation purposes, and even if it was trained honestly it would at least be consistent whereas you can get away with breaking mod rules as long as your meme made them chuckle, etc.
Who cares, AI will become a part of Lemmy too and I’m just done with reddit anyways.
Oh I’m not saying these putative AI mods would be any better than existing Reddit mods. They’d probably be even more arbitrary and capricious and unappealable, and I sure don’t expect them to be anywhere near fully-trained. But they’d be owned by Reddit, who would now be ⭐️⭐️⭐️AN AI COMPANY⭐️⭐️⭐️, which is the replacement for “the blockchain” as a thing you vaguely mention your company using if you want rich, dumb investors to wet their pants and throw tons of money at you.
The word you’re looking for is “buzzword”.
That’s the neat part, it doesn’t have to be good.
even assuming reddit can ship an “AI moderation bot” that kinda works in the upcoming week (which will be the feat of the year), quality will start going down long before it can moderate at a good enough capacity to work well.
Over half my feed went dark. I was only getting posts from 4-5 subreddits, mostly news. That’s a big impact on a user.
Yep. I was disappointed WTF didn’t participate.
I guess they’re living up to their name?
All the subreddits I subscribe to went dark except for 1. It’s a sub about this show called “From”. I’m slightly disappointed in them
Losing RIF is what got me looking elsewhere.
Yeah, but those subs contain the majority of redditor interaction. ~70k people on a sub is enough to put it into the top 5%. The top 1% subs are very likely responsible for 50%+ of all reddit posts. Losing just a handful of them is a big deal.
Unfortunately in a few hours most of those subreddits will open back up and it’ll be business as normal. The ones that don’t open will be transferred over to new moderators and they’ll resume normal operation too.
Realistically, for the most part, not much will change for Reddit. A lot has changed for me and you, though. I’ve diversified my entertainment and don’t intend to lurk the same website for hours a day. I like Lemmy, and I like the people here but Reddit is too old and too encompassing to never visit it again.
The problem is that there is a lot of great crowd-sourced knowledge on Reddit on everything from programming to which microwave oven I should buy. It’s going to take time to replace that, if it can be done.
It can be done, it just won’t be done while Reddit is up. Eventually it will go away and that knowledge will have to be rediscovered and reposted elsewhere.
Good point! I hope that happens!
I kind of want all the users to wipe their comments and burn it down like the library of Alexandria. Then spez can’t mine it for AI.
I hate losing the window into humanity, but it would be insanely satisfying to watch the fire burn.
if you do this just remember to redact your comments and posts FIRST and do it only while the subs are live tomorrow not dark right not. read a different post that thishas something to do with what reddit keep and can use.
I actually used power delete suite to do just that. Fuck spez
Couldn’t agree more on your second paragraph. I have lurked Reddit for years. This, however, is my first comment, and it’s on Lemmy…
:D I’m honored to be the first person you reply to! Hope this Lemmy thing goes places.
You and me both! Look at that, I’ve doubled my number of comments…better go and lie down :)
Me, too. I am also a Reddit transplant, and I still don’t understand everything here (also trying mastodon, but they can share users? I admit, I don’t get it, lol), but I’m hopeful that enough people will make the move. I was on Reddit for 15 years, on the old Reddit desktop website, then on RIF when I got a smartphone. I won’t use Reddit’s app, it sucks, so, that’s that.
Yea, My sub is only going dark from the 12th - 14th, i already replicated the sub here. but its not Reddit 0_o I don’t think anything will ever replace reddit but give it sometime and after the exodus on the 30th this will be the only place to be. RedReader on Reddit is a good third party app for reddit (On Android) But its a learning curve but good. I heard it had immunity from the 3p app list cause of its accessibilty.
People said the same about Digg
And MySpace
Digg gutted a lot more content and usability with their redesign.
That said, if reddit axes old…
Reddit might become dog if they follow through with baking third party apps
wonder if we need some discord “lemmy migration office hours” to help users get started?
Remember MySpace?
Yep, I actually do. was to young and internet was iffy back in the day.
Well it forced me to look for alternative. People won’t necessarily stick with Lemmy right now, but they know there are alternative, some of their name and what it looks like.
Personally I have looked at Lemmy and nine or kine (something like that) and I think it’s pretty close.
Was it kbin.social?
yes kbin :)
Piggy backing off this to remind people that after multiple reports of a child porn seller on reddit were either ignored or claimed to not to violate TOS, spez personally banned me for harassment after I asked him to intervene.
The CP seller was still active MONTHS later.
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I think Reddit will have a somewhat significant loss in users but it’ll endure, at least for the time being. Social media sites die slower now. But I’m happy I found alternatives because I just can’t see myself using their official app
Absolutely agree with this. Twitter is still going strong, in part because the fediverse is “too hard.” Reddit isn’t going anywhere.
I think this is probably a good thing, it might keep dumb people away.
As an aside, it’s starting to irritate me how often I see people complain the fediverse/threadiverse is too complex or too difficult to understand. I mean, you managed to understand that email accounts live on different servers, but you can’t apply that same mental logic to forums living on different servers?
I am fairly tech savvy. It took me some time to understand the fediverse and how it works. The thing is, you need to read stuff to understand. That is well above the capabilities of like 80% of people. Oh, and you won’t believe how many people I have met that have no idea what a server is or how email works. Trust me, the bar for entry is pretty high for the average joe. It’s a good filter though.
Having spent the last couple of decades in tech support I’d say you’re being very generous with the estimate of ~20% of people being willing and able to read so they can understand something…
Yeah. I was a lot more cynical before now. Half a year ago I would have said like 5%. And thank you for your service o7.
The part that confused and pushed me away is the fact that depending on which email server you sign up for, you may not be able to send or receive an email to a server that may or may not already exist. If the person/group that runs the instance you signed up for defederates something, you’re out of luck if you wanted to use that instance without making a dedicated account over there. It also doesn’t help that the federation of different instances isn’t automatic or retroactive. Someone on your instance has to subscribe to something on another instance for the federation to start, and it only starts pulling content from that point forward. If you want to see older content you have to go to that instance at a minimum, and maybe sign up for that instance depending on what it is. Those are the biggest factors against the Fediverse, in my opinion.
Completely agree. Fediverse is cool in theory, but I don’t know if I’m fully convinced it’s a workable replacement as a content aggregator that we’ve come to expect in this day and age. Hell, you already have instances like lemmy.ml banning people for posting news stories that show China or Russia in a negative light. And lemmy.ml is one of the default instances advertised when you look into Lemmy! That’s a terrible first impression for new users and I think it’s going to turn a lot of people away if censorship is a common occurence on bigger instances.
Also, the Lemmy app on Android is not very good. I can’t even upvoted any comments or posts because it constantly times out.
That all being said, I’m cautiously optimistic that devs will be able to improve the platform over time. Like I said, the Fediverse is cool in theory and I like the concept, but it does have some major drawbacks for content consumers, as you pointed out.
agree- reddit is a fucking big house that won’t burn down to the ground in a day. we’re should take comfort though in the fact that spez keri’s throwing fuel in the fire hastening it’s demise.
Between this place, and https://squabbles.io/… Reddit is no longer relevant.
As of today, he’s saying “the blackout will pass.” Doesn’t sound he cares at all, so I’m here now. Hello, new friend!
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I think that’s just the biggest ones.
It’s not 8838 total, I’m pretty sure it’s the list of subs that said they’ll participate