Something that i find prettyd disgusting these days is how certain people put their political ideologies / viewpoints over human lives, for example, celebrating the russian invasion of ukraine because it is “a blow against US / NATO imperialism” completely ignoring all the warcrimes, the deaths, and the suffering generated by that war, the same happening with the palestinian genocide because “Israel is the only working democracy on the middle east”, acting like their ideoligies are going to bring back to life all the dead people somehow

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    Every Christian I have talked to about this subject is vehemently against killing transgender people. What does my belief in God have to do with my opinion on not killing trans people?

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      Christians are not really known for being champions for transgender folks. Catholics and Orthodox are official opposed to the existence of trans folks as a whole, since it does not work well with their binary view on gender.

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        Okay? That’s a them problem. I’m not a Roman Catholic nor an Orthodox. Still never seen an Orthodox or a Catholic person advocate for the killing of trans people though.

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          Still never seen an Orthodox or a Catholic person advocate for the killing of trans people though.

          They just say you don’t exist, which at least does not help.

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            I’ve seen Atheists say that. Including Dawkins. Killing people and saying someone’s belief in their own gender is or isn’t valid are different things, though.

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              But there is no atheists dogma or teaching that can be a base for discrimination of trans people. Obviously individual atheist can be transphobic unrelated to their believe that there is no god. On the other hand christian transphobes will often root their transphophia in their christian believe.

              Killing people and saying someone’s belief in their own gender is or isn’t valid are different things, though.

              Invalidating trans folks existence is often predecessor of violence against trans people.

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                Christianity doesn’t have dogma on the trans issue. Dawkins would argue that biologival sex is a scientific fact. The Bible just says that God created people as man and woman. What does me being a Christian have to do with Christian transphobes, and why would you bring up my religion when I literally just expressed disgust at the murder of a transgender person?

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                  Christianity doesn’t have dogma on the trans issue.

                  The Bible just says that God created people as man and woman.

                  Dude?

                  Dawkins would argue that biologival sex is a scientific fact.

                  So? He rationalizes his transphobia with his poor understanding of human biology, psychology and sociology, which are all not his fields of expertise by the way, and more importantly unrelated to atheism. If he was Karamazov, than maybe you would have a point.

                  What does me being a Christian have to do with Christian transphobes, and why would you bring up my religion when I literally just expressed disgust at the murder of a transgender person?

                  At best you participate in a believe system that promotes violence against trans people by invalidating their existence. So your disgust seems rather disingenuous, or you haven’t really reflected on this whole topic at all.

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                    At best you participate in a believe system that promotes violence against trans people by invalidating their existence.

                    What.

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      You don’t have to strictly be for killing them, you can just be against their existence, and someone else will take that to its logical conclusion.

      “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest”

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        I think it is true that Christians who are against violence against trans people should be far more vocal over it. But the general thing I hear isn’t really wanting to get rid of trans people, more of if they should be validated as their desired gender or not, or how children should be approached about the topic.

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          the existence of trans people is quite literally conditional on them being validated as their desired gender.

          if you don’t validate them, then when they keep doing trans stuff (like transitioning), you will freak out and attempt to stop them. For example by sending them to conversion therapy. And it should be obvious to any basically humanist person why that’s a bad idea.

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            No, because there are no effective conversion therapies that work, and it can make the situation worse. It’s not a binary. You don’t have to choose between “oh yeah sure let’s change the signs on bathrooms! You can compete in women’s sports and be in women spaces, too! Oh and please go and tell these children all about your sex change!” and “send them all to conversion therapy at gunpoint”. I don’t know why you keep jumping to conclusions so quickly and freak out at me stating the fact that killing people is abhorrent. Because apparently I am not allowed to condemn the murder of a young girl because I, like 2.38 billion other people, think that Jesus of Nazareth from 2024 years ago made a convincing case for actually being God.

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              and also what is the alternative you propose that’s neither acceptance or forced conversion?

              “separate but equal”? “keep that stuff at home”? no thank you, i’d rather be part of society. separate but equal is never actually equal.

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                I didn’t propose anything. I’m not a politician, lol

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                  I assume have something to say about it, or you wouldn’t be posting trying to defend your opinion.

                  So far I’ve seen that you don’t want to kill us and you don’t want to try to force us to stop existing, but you don’t seem to want to accept us either. so what else is there?

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                    I just don’t want to be infiltrated by it personally. I love you and accept you as a human being. I am against anything that may put women in danger or mislead children. If you don’t want to do that, then I don’t really care. You should know that you are loved and are human like the rest of us. You aren’t anything less or more than me. And I don’t think any less of you for your gender identity, and I wish other Christians stopped being so aggressive about that either.

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              Competing in women’s sports and participating in women’s spaces is part of existing as a woman. And if you accept that trans people exist and aren’t inherently harmful or disgusting, then children learning about their existence isn’t so bad either.

              btw the bathroom thing is just common sense. if a bathroom is single occupancy, it shouldn’t be gender separated. this has little to do with trans people.