• WarmSoda@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    Isn’t cis another word for straight?
    I honestly don’t know, just asking

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        8 months ago

        This is like when you cool things down to such a low temperature that they start acting like they’re super hot.

        It’s similar in that they’re both arbitrary linguistic distinctions that do not apply under most circumstances (and indeed barely capture the phenomenon in the first place), reveal holes in our understanding of reality that even experts are largely unprepared to deal with, and have no practical, usable effects or results (although I’d love to know what the gay equivalent of superconduction is - is “superfluid” a gender?)

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      8 months ago

      Well, trans as a root means across from, or on the other side of.

      Cis means on this side of. Both are from latin roots.

      When using it in gender discussions, it means someone that isn’t trans, aka the gender normative, aka the folks that match in terms of inner and outer gender expression.

      Cisgender started out as a term back in the nineties, as a way to be able to refer to the majority that are gender normative with a simpler term when discussing transgender/transexual issues. As you can see, it is incredibly cumbersome to describe the cisgender people of the world without using cis. Pain in the ass when you’re writing or talking about the subject. And the nineties are when that kind of discussion became more prevalent.

      There’s also the fact that people have put unnecessary weight to the word “normal”, and tend not to understand the word normative. Because of the way normal has been used for a very long time now, despite it really meaning something that’s typical, any use of it implies that everything else is abnormal in a bad way rather than just not typical. Largely because in most fields, abnormal is a bad thing. Abnormal blood work as an example.

      So, we have heteronormative and cisnormative for the straights and non trans people behaving in typical ways for those groups as well as cisgender meaning aligning with one’s nominative gender.

      Now, can cis be used to denote “straight” people? Kinda, but not really. It would be a very unusual usage because straight in terms of non normative sexuality being discussed almost always refers to sexual orientation. Using cis to mean straight isn’t unreasonable, particularly since you’ll run into situations where gay people and trans people might just use straight as a shorter word for cis-hetero. But you won’t see that in anything but casual settings because of the very confusion you’re dealing with. Most of my close friends are gay or otherwise under the lgbtq+ heading, and I’ve never actually heard anyone use cis as a synonym for straight, but I have heard “straights” used as a term that includes cis.

      Yay for language!

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        8 months ago

        Interesting and still confusing haha.
        Thank you for taking the time, I learned a little today.

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          8 months ago

          Tldr:

          Cis: I got a dick, I look like a guy, I also feel this way inside.

          Cis: I got a vagina, I look like a girl, I also feel this way inside.

          NB/trans: any number of these combinations do not match the same way as above.

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      8 months ago

      i think he’s assuming there’s a difference between cis and straight but is too gay to know for sure