• ???@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Anyone call this a Holocaust level genocide is an absolute moron.

    What about these guys?

    Holocaust survivors who are anti-Zionist:

    • Hajo Meyer

      Meyer repeatedly argued that there are parallels between the Nazi treatment of Jews leading to (but not including) the Holocaust, and Israel’s dehumanization of Palestinians.

    • Marione Ingram

      Ingram says experiencing anti-Jewish hate, losing family members to the Nazi killing machine and surviving the Allied bombing of Hamburg as a child all inspire her to speak out for peace. “What Israel is doing will not end this conflict. It will only exacerbate it,” says Ingram.

    • Tal Frieden, grandchild of a Holocaust survivor

      The rally was loud in its claim that Israel has the unconditional support of the U.S. government. But the U.S. people do not support Israel’s attack on Gaza, which Holocaust scholars have deemed a genocide.

    • Elliot Kukla, another grandchild of a holocaust survivors

      My father was also deprived of medical care as a child, and that legacy scarred him for life physically and psychologically. While he was in hiding, he got sick with whooping cough; the sound of his coughing threatened his own life and the life of the family who sheltered him from Nazis. To spare everyone, he was taken to a Catholic orphanage in the countryside of Belgium.

    • Seven other holocaust survivors likening the treatment of Palestinians to the treatment of Jews by Nazi Germany. I’m excluding Hajo Meyer since I already listed him and Gabor Mate because somehow him being only 1 year old during the holocaust and not a resident of Israel makes him “not real enough to comment on such issues” for some people

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      8 months ago

      What about these guys? … Meyer repeatedly argued that there are parallels between the Nazi treatment of Jews leading to (but not including) the Holocaust, and Israel’s dehumanization of Palestinians.

      ???

      Ie. Meyer is explicitly NOT arguing that it is comparable to the holocaust, but only to the treatment of Jews leading up to the Holocaust.

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        8 months ago

        I invite you to read the later career section. Some of it:

        In his last recorded interview, coinciding with the 2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict, he lambasted Zionists as Nazi criminals, asserted that German hatred of Jews was less deeply grounded than Israeli-Jewish hatred of Palestinians, and denounced PM Benjamin Netanyahu’s remarks that demonstrations against the war were evidence of hatred of Israel.[citation needed] He was the first signatory of a statement by 250 Holocaust survivors and descendants of Holocaust survivors protesting that war.[19]

        At one talk, organized and hosted by the leader of the UK’s Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, in 2010, Meyer was later reported to have repeatedly likened Israel’s actions against the people of the Gaza Strip to the mass killing of Jews in the Holocaust and likened the government of Israel to that of Nazi Germany.[14][15]

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          8 months ago

          Ok.

          But in the quote you used above he explicitly says he is not including the Holocaust. Perhaps use another quote next time.

          To be clear, and I’ve said it here before, but IMHO it’s not helpful to make nazi/holocaust comparisons, when you can call them fascists or racial supremacists (because plenty of them verifiably are based on what they have provably said and done) and call what they’re doing ethnic cleansing or genocide.

          It’s far harder to deny.

          But I suppose the language you use depends on the goal you have in mind.

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            8 months ago

            I think they made the comparison to attempt to prevent a genocide. Sadly due to gatekeeping of the terms Nazis and Holocaust, they instead got called anti semitic and maybe lost their jobs.