• bramblepatchmystery@slrpnk.net
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    8 months ago

    The harassment of Jewish artists in American cities is not helping save Palestinian lives and you need to stop pretending otherwise.

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      8 months ago

      The artist being Jewish is not a problem.

      Being a Zionist is the problem.

      Conflating those two things is as racist as assuming all Chinese people are hardcore Maoists.

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        8 months ago

        Which specific Jews are not Zionists? Zionism is generally defined as the belief that Jews have a right to self government and a return to their ancestral homeland.

        Most Jews, as well as most Americans and most everybody outside of terrorist shitholes and Russia agrees with the basic concepts of Zionism to some degree of another.

        We can talk about getting a more left wing government in Israel and trying Netanyahu for warcrimes, but wanting Jews gone from their homeland is an absolute non starter.

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          8 months ago

          I know plenty of antizionist Jewish people. Some of them would be comfortable living in what is now Israel as a homeland IF it wasn’t a settler colonialist apartheid state and was some sort of pluralistic democratic society.

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              It can and should, and it did before the colonists. Modern Zionism (and probably Zionism always) is their exclusive control over it. Their magic book tells them how evil their neighbors are and encourages them killing them. I don’t think most Jews follow that crap, but the fact that Zionists want to remove anyone else and that’s in there doesn’t help them.

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          Hi, I’m an anti-zionist Jew and absolutely fuck Israel! Zionism is bad for everyone, including us. It conflates our religion with a genocidal ideology that rightfully terrifies the rest of the world, which then makes the world think they hate Jews (because they keep hearing “Judaism=Israel”). Despite what Zionist Jews may say, ending Zionism will help us, not hurt us.

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              Who do you include in the rest of the world? Based on your other comment, I get the impression you understand Zionism to mean something very different from what it’s historically been.

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            8 months ago

            Yes, because the Nazis were the ones who called for more left wing governments.

            I’m glad the tankies have finally taken their masks off, it’s just a shame it had to be over this, the very thing we said it would be.

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      8 months ago

      Layna Sherman Crandell from the MN Anti-War Committee explained, “Zionism requires prioritizing the majority rule of some lives over others, necessitating the dehumanization of Palestinians. Israel is not Judaism; it is fascistic terror. Matsiyahu and the Zionists cannot speak for me or for the Jewish people, and they will not silence the voices of Palestinians in their fight for freedom and liberation.”

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        8 months ago

        So Palestinians fighting for their own homeland is fascist as well, by this person’s logic.

        When Hamas took the hostages into Gaza and refused to take the battlefield elsewhere, were they being just as fascist?

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          I love to see the “they’re using civilians as human shields” argument. They’re in one of the most densely populated places in the world and aren’t allowed to leave. There isn’t really space that isn’t surrounded by civilians. There literally is not an option (except for attack into Israeli territory, which I’m sure you’re against also).

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      8 months ago

      I can’t punch you for being part of a protected group, that would be wrong. I can punch you for being a Nazi who just happens to be part of a protected group.

      Same logic.