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for sure. I’m sure they are monitoring the overall activity of the fediverse, if not solely out of curiosity.
I guess more mods than admins are lurking here.
Former mods, please.
I’d hate to be an admin browsing some of the anti-Reddit threads. I’m sure not all of them are absolute drainclogs, but like… I’m sure it’s not good for their self-esteem, lol.
Honestly I’m sure a lot (or at least some) of the reddit employees who have been there for longer feel the same way as we do. I can imagine if you joined back when reddit was open source or even shortly after, seeing reddit go down this path would be upsetting.
I know if my company decided to screw over our users this badly, my morale would be non existant. Most people don’t have that much loyalty to their companies and reddit would be no different
Reddit used to be open source?
That’s a good point. I don’t think anyone who works to make or maintain something other people will use likes to see those users screwed over by the boss. It shows that the boss not only doesn’t care about users, they also don’t care about everyone who works hard to keep those users happy.
True, but admins are just employees, it wouldn’t be a bad thing if, by reading here, they understood it’s time for them to find another job.
That’s a nice, positive way to look at it, and I will try to hope that, too. (Not sure if I can, I’m kinda petty, lol). But there are also a lot of reasons why people stick with jobs they hate, or that make them feel bad. And sometimes people try to convince themselves that actually, everything is okay, the boss isn’t a scumbag, etc… I just feel like if I were a Reddit admin, this is not a place I would be happy hanging out. I’d be either hurt or angry the whole time. … but again, I’m kinda petty.
It’s true that not everyone has the chance to find another job when their current one is bad, but in general, keep in mind that when bad things go out to the public (like in reddit case), things inside the company are even worse.
I bet admins are venting among themselves even harder than what we do here, so I believe they wouldn’t be affected by “hanging out” here as much as you think.
I mean, noone is hating directly on them, we know they’re just following orders and that the culprit is the ceo.
You’re probably right that the internal culture is bad at Reddit right now, especially since they recently did some layoffs. I also agree that most of the employees are not at fault, though at least one person in their PR department is behaving badly. I don’t think Huffman has a strong enough personality to be doing this with absolutely no support from employees (or at least, from board members), but it would only take a few.
Possibly I have been reading different threads than you, though, since I have definitely seen (and made) some broad criticisms of the company, and criticisms that could be interpreted as applying to all employees, even though they might not have been meant that way. (I certainly don’t mean to lump everyone at the company together). And in my experience, a lot of cases of hurt feelings online are accidental, because someone just doesn’t realize what they’re saying could be interpreted as a personal attack by the person who’s hurt. Sometimes the comment isn’t even particularly negative, it just hits a nerve. It’s hard to predict how anyone will feel about anything, which I personally think is one of the most fascinating parts of interacting with other people, though it also adds an element of risk.
But anyway, I suspect most Reddit employees are too busy to be on Lemmy right now, whatever their position in the company. And I certainly hope at least some take the opportunity presented by this drama to get out. Everyone deserves to have a better boss than Huffman.
I don’t think Huffman has a strong enough personality to be doing this with absolutely no support from employees
He famously idolises Elon Musk. I absolutely believe he’s the kind of arsehole who wouldn’t give two fucks what his employees are telling him.
or at least, from board members
This is much more likely.
I have to imagine a lot of Reddit employees are disappointed with the direction the company is going
Why not? I’m sure some intern with red username would be tasked to find features that we like here, just so they could copy it to try to bring users back.
That would be an intelligent step to take, but since when has Reddit ever been able to implement new, user-friendly features? There have probably been plenty of employees who have recommended good features over the years, wherever they got the ideas, and been shot down. With Huffman throwing a hissy fit the way he is, I would say they’re even less likely to successfully bring out new features than they have been in the past.
Users aren’t the paying customer. Users are the product. Most people know this, but based on these comments, few people seem to actually understand the implication.
What it means is your user experience isn’t catered to, and you have absolutely no expectation for conditions to improve or to be good at all. Worse: your experience will be intentionally worsened if that means it generates more money. This is why the official app is shit. It’s not incompetence, or laziness. It’s all part of the business model to manipulate your engagement. It’s why we can’t have unofficial apps that circumvent all that. It’s why not all the comments are loaded by default (they don’t generate money so please go back to browsing promoted posts). It’s why you keep getting reminders to use things you didn’t ask for. Redditors are being corraled. Cattle in a factory farm.
At the same time, I think consumers overvalue the amount of competition between products and services that happens at the product value (e.g. user experience) level. The reality is that marketing and leveraging monopolistic positions are often far more cost effective solutions for capturing market share.
So no, Reddit doesn’t give a flying fuck how nice we make the fediverse, other than to see it as a threat to squeeze more money out of their users who might be tempted to a free-run lifestyle instead.
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To be completely honest, unless they’ve already gotten patents (which would require them to disclose the specific algorithms, and is highly unlikely to be of any general features), they’re probably SOL. I doubt they have that in place already and I doubt they’re going to openly describe any secret sauce for patents.
What is more likely the case is the embrace, extend, extinguish approach whereby they’ll find what makes Lemmy stick in open source sense (I.E. Activity Pub protocol), “embrace” it by making Reddit interoperate with it, “extend” the protocol such that they could offer some unique features to draw users into their platform to leverage the unique features, and then “extinguish” the open source flame by abandoning the public protocol after they achieve what they want.
If and when you see Reddit adopt ActivityPub, be real careful of what comes next.
Who cares
So I can tell them to unban my account
