Most Americans, no matter their political affiliation, do not believe that violence is a solution to domestic political divisions, according to the latest PBS NewsHour/NPR/Marist poll.
I get that the billionaires can’t do it alone, but my point is, without the elites the fascist/capitalist base by itself isn’t sufficiently organized or motivated to run an oligarchy.
My point is informed by hundreds of hours of discussion with republican individuals. If you think it’s stupid and ignorant then tell me with a straight face that republicans aren’t more hateful than democrats.
Republicans aren’t more hateful than Democrats. On a macro scale, the political party you most identify with says very little about your capacity to hate “others”. That capacity is instead part of human nature. If you think your party is above that, then you are deluding yourself or are not recognizing hate when it’s directed at the opposition. Either not recognizing it, or justifying it by first vilifying and demonizing the opposition.
It is true that many democrats also hate republicans, but that’s a paradox of tolerance. If you look at the policies each party supports, it’s pretty clear which one is more hateful.
Right, so hatred of Republicans is justified in your mind.
Edit: The paradox of intolerance can be used to justify intolerance just as easily as it can be used to justify not being tolerant of intolerance. So which is it? Most people who refer to the paradox of intolerance aren’t spending much time reflecting on that, and instead jump right to using it to feel good about demonizing their opposition.
I believe it is, but I haven’t jumped to anything. I got into politics a few years ago and have only started to truly hate them about a year ago-- after Covid, really. As I said, my opinions have formed through simple conversation with members of each group. I have found republicans’ actions to be fueled by selfishness, fear, anger, hatred, unjustified authority, and inequality far, far, FAR more often than I have with democrats. I should really start keeping a list of evidence or something but since I haven’t, I only have my experiences (or, you know, the news, if you trust that) to point to about this stuff. I’m a pretty reflective guy, I’ve thought about the ethics and justification here, and I simply cannot bring myself to care about people who only care for themselves, or worse, actively enjoy watching others suffer. Yes, that includes democrats who enjoy watching the average republican (excluding politicians here) suffer. But at some point my empathy for the average republican runs out. It’s been about 10 years since the republican party has gone completely to shit and anyone who still supports them is beyond my ability to help.
I’m of the opinion that where there is understanding, there can be no hatred. Or if you hate someone, it’s because you don’t actually understand them. And I don’t mean trying to understand in the smug, condescending way that CNN or Reddit uses, which is basically “Republicans dumb”, but I mean understanding the urge to be self reliant, to value family, country, or religion. But I don’t mean agree with either. That is not the same as understanding someone. I read an article concluding that people from broken families are more likely to be left wing, and it has to do with reliance on government to provide security, as opposed to one’s own self or their family. Does that make conservatives stupid, greedy, or full of hate? No, they just had a different life experience that formed their impression of what society should be like. Reality is it’s even more complex than that, and certainly not as simple as “Republicans stupid and full of hate”. People in power know this, but they also know that understanding and empathy with opposition only gets in the way of them winning. So politics inevitably becomes about winning by any means necessary, including vilifying the opposition.
The rich don’t just use it, they finance it and manage it.
Right, but I feel like you’re not getting my point here. They couldn’t do that if their supporters didn’t already believe in hurting people.
I get that the billionaires can’t do it alone, but my point is, without the elites the fascist/capitalist base by itself isn’t sufficiently organized or motivated to run an oligarchy.
The billionaires are the brain of that organism.
Dude, it’s because your point is stupid and ignorant.
My point is informed by hundreds of hours of discussion with republican individuals. If you think it’s stupid and ignorant then tell me with a straight face that republicans aren’t more hateful than democrats.
Republicans aren’t more hateful than Democrats. On a macro scale, the political party you most identify with says very little about your capacity to hate “others”. That capacity is instead part of human nature. If you think your party is above that, then you are deluding yourself or are not recognizing hate when it’s directed at the opposition. Either not recognizing it, or justifying it by first vilifying and demonizing the opposition.
It is true that many democrats also hate republicans, but that’s a paradox of tolerance. If you look at the policies each party supports, it’s pretty clear which one is more hateful.
Right, so hatred of Republicans is justified in your mind.
Edit: The paradox of intolerance can be used to justify intolerance just as easily as it can be used to justify not being tolerant of intolerance. So which is it? Most people who refer to the paradox of intolerance aren’t spending much time reflecting on that, and instead jump right to using it to feel good about demonizing their opposition.
I believe it is, but I haven’t jumped to anything. I got into politics a few years ago and have only started to truly hate them about a year ago-- after Covid, really. As I said, my opinions have formed through simple conversation with members of each group. I have found republicans’ actions to be fueled by selfishness, fear, anger, hatred, unjustified authority, and inequality far, far, FAR more often than I have with democrats. I should really start keeping a list of evidence or something but since I haven’t, I only have my experiences (or, you know, the news, if you trust that) to point to about this stuff. I’m a pretty reflective guy, I’ve thought about the ethics and justification here, and I simply cannot bring myself to care about people who only care for themselves, or worse, actively enjoy watching others suffer. Yes, that includes democrats who enjoy watching the average republican (excluding politicians here) suffer. But at some point my empathy for the average republican runs out. It’s been about 10 years since the republican party has gone completely to shit and anyone who still supports them is beyond my ability to help.
I’m of the opinion that where there is understanding, there can be no hatred. Or if you hate someone, it’s because you don’t actually understand them. And I don’t mean trying to understand in the smug, condescending way that CNN or Reddit uses, which is basically “Republicans dumb”, but I mean understanding the urge to be self reliant, to value family, country, or religion. But I don’t mean agree with either. That is not the same as understanding someone. I read an article concluding that people from broken families are more likely to be left wing, and it has to do with reliance on government to provide security, as opposed to one’s own self or their family. Does that make conservatives stupid, greedy, or full of hate? No, they just had a different life experience that formed their impression of what society should be like. Reality is it’s even more complex than that, and certainly not as simple as “Republicans stupid and full of hate”. People in power know this, but they also know that understanding and empathy with opposition only gets in the way of them winning. So politics inevitably becomes about winning by any means necessary, including vilifying the opposition.