• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    And you are 100% delusional about that answer. You are simply wrong.

    A president or any other leader is always responsible for the outcomes of their tenure. Always and immutably. It doesn’t matter why the failure happened. It doesn’t matter if they were stymied or an asteroid hits or a pandemic occurs. The buck stops there.

    You can feign ignorance of that or pretend its some other way, but it doesn’t change anything.

    The pandemic happened under Trump and he was ultimately held accountable for that. In spite of his shockingly poor ability to mange the state through the pandemic he still barely lost. If not for the randomness of a global pandemic, and his utterly bungled response, he’d probably still be President now.

    Biden is accountable for the US’s failure to support Ukraine. Biden is responsible for the US enabling of a genocide in Israel. Biden is also responsible for how peoples lives have improved or failed to improve post covid. If he can get some loan forgiveness to people on student loans, he’ll be responsible for that too.

    Deferring responsibility isn’t just a bad look, its a direct example of one being disqualified for the role they are seeking. When you argue that someone else is responsible for Biden failure to get things done, you are arguing that Biden is not qualified for the office.

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        7 months ago

        I’m not interested in a sidebar. I’m only interested in discussing the main point of this conversation.

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          7 months ago

          You aren’t interested in discussing something you brought up? That sounds like you know the answer is inconvenient.

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            7 months ago

            You sound like a genocidal apologist whose arguments are weakening Biden’s chances of winning the general election, who also has no conception of leadership or responsibility, stuck in a boot-loop unable to understand why they keep voting correctly but the world continues to fall apart around them, unable to understand how their apologetic’s are actually an argument in favor of the other guy.

            I think you can do better, and I hope you choose to.

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                7 months ago

                inconvenient question

                There is no inconvenient question. Just an apologist spinning in circles wondering why their candidate is losing the general election.

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                  7 months ago

                  This is the second time you have insulted me. I don’t think I should have to remind you of the civility rule in the sidebar. I do moderate discussions I am involved in, but I would remind you to be civil.

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                    7 months ago

                    If you consider being an apologist insulting, you should maybe reconsider your approach to rhetoric, since this is the rhetorical approach you are using. Its a rhetorical approach that goes back to Socrates. I’m sorry for your ignorance but I can’t help that beyond providing you with resources, as I’ve tried to do in this conversation. Only you can help your own ignorance. Since you don’t understand apologetics or what it means to be an apologist, here is a primer. You should read it. It can help you improve your approach to rhetoric.