I am starting to believe that the OP type of people aren’t actually Biden supporters or democrats but paid for Republicans/operatives who have market researched the most effective way to reduce voter turnout. Kind of like how cigarette companies were forced to make anti smoking ads and went with the least effective or most counter-effective campaigns they could go with.
#OR MAYBE YES THEY DO, YOU CERTAINLY DONT REPRESENT MY PROGRESSIVE VOTE WITH YOUR ARROGANT ASSUMPTIONS
[the above is just making an important distinction, not really yelling though the screen]
Reality includes nuance, recognition, and rationale.
How many threads and comments are you posting about local, state, and federal politics that are even more important than President?
What Congressional Representatives are you mad at about genocide support?
Who should we be voting for/against in primaries other than just Biden? What state lawmakers are supporting genocide and need to be engaged over it?
Where’s the rest of your outrage for the little things that matter more than the optical illusion that is the Presidential race?
Or, alternatively, just recognize that you are now part of a distraction meant to disrupt American politics, and your cognitive dissonance prevents you from acknowledging certain realities, one of which is that your echo chamber is just an echo chamber. We all have to learn that eventually, or we will reap what we sow. The last time we really experienced a ‘reap what you sow’ in a Presidential election was in 2000 with Bush v. Gore. We got Bush, we got 9/11, then we got Iraq and Afghanistan wars that threw real people and families, in this country AND more so in the countries we invaded, into a murder meat grinder as a way to feed a military complex rather than feeding justice for the 9/11 dead. That is OUR modern legacy that must never be allowed to resurge. I’d argue we got lucky with Trump’s first term in terms of a ‘reap what you sow’ scenario, he was far more of an incompetent greedy clown than a corruption evil genius than expected, but he seems to have come around to leaning in towards a much more focused corrupt evil clown this time around that will coincide with much worse consequences and outcomes for all of us if his circus act succeeds.
Not everyone is on the same page even among progressives, and here, you are seeming like another side of the same Trumpie coin by demanding the litmus test for conservatives Progressives be this sleepy corrupt demonic racist genocide Joe line-in-the-sand narrative that is blaringly, obviously, propagandized as commentary that will be reinforced to divide and dilute voters that recognize the real world danger of Trump and his rhetoric.
If genocide is what you are truly concerned about, wouldn’t a better focus of your internet-commenter ire and time be demanding change directly at Netanyahu and Israel’s government? They already had plenty of munitions and monetary support from the US for decades of suppression of the Palestinians’ self determination. Where were you 5 years ago on a seemingly ongoing genocide of Palestinians? 10 years ago? 15, 20, 25, 30, 40, 50 years ago when Israel was, based on a long history of not even just ‘liberalized/progressive’ media reports, accused of committing a genocide against Palestinians?
Biden is a half measure, but he’s the only half way acceptable option we have based on the system we live in. We aren’t going to have a civil war over this, and we can’t change the Constitution before November. Yelling at the sky does not at all fix anything. Offer solutions, and if there is one that is a better option than voting for Biden to prevent far more corruption from Trump, let us know now.
But it’s just dumb to assume his rock-bottom approval is a mirage. And for its worth, I’d much rather be spending time thinking about literally any other race, but every fucking thread here is filled with self-congratulating affirmation that I can see literally anything but
If genocide is what you are truly concerned about, wouldn’t a better focus of your internet-commenter ire and time be demanding change directly at Netanyahu and Israel’s government?
I don’t see any Israeli propogandists here, but if I did, i’d feel about as confident about changing their mind as I do about changing a trump supporter’s mind. I happen to know progressives are upset; it’s not hard, all I have to do is point to the genocidal shit he’s doing. Everybody here agrees he needs to stop and yet laughably every criticism is couched in seven layers of ‘but i’m voting for that fucker anyway’ as if it’s too strong of a threat to let that possibility COOK HIS ASS a little to get him to change, even if it’s the obvious implication anyway. You all seem to be in a deep, deep pit of denial about this, and if I do nothing else but toss cold water on you for the next 5 months then i’ll be happy.
We’re 5 months out, we haven’t even held the convention yet. If we get to octoboer and he’s still a fucking POS, i’ll start couching my screaming with those addition affirmations, too, if it makes you feel better.
But fuck you if you want me to stop screaming for him to do better, and fuck you for pretending to care yourself.
So, ‘get in line’ with your view, or ‘fuck you’, is your message.
Progressives, including myself, are upset at Biden, but we’re not monolithic, and many of us are even reasonable grownups that don’t let our rage dictate how we respond to situations with vitriol and insults, or with demands that everyone else conform to our individuals views or be dismissed. I get it on some level, you’re obviously younger, I had the fervor of inexperienced passion with politics in my younger years as well. I actively try not to project my own shortcomings onto others to convince myself I’m right when I feel attacked. You’re losing the plot and only seeing red.
Who should we be voting for/against in primaries other than just Biden?
How many threads and comments are you posting about local, state, and federal politics that are even more important than President?
What Congressional Representatives are you mad at about genocide support?
What state lawmakers are supporting genocide and need to be engaged over it?
Where’s the rest of your outrage for the little things that matter more than the optical illusion that is the Presidential race?
Biden is the middle ground Republican-light compromise coward and always has been, none of your screaming is going to make him stop talking from both sides of his mouth. If anything, he’s had a few releases that were surprisingly harsher on Israel than some of us ever expected him to.
You are laser focused on the wrong-goddamn shit - looking for instant gratification by trying to make the story of the plight of Palestinians about Biden and a singular American election, when it’s about so much more and could have stronger impacts if it was focused on actionable solutions rather than reactions to public statements.
Yeah I know… The Dems probably are dumb enough to try the bullying tactic again, even though they have to know it lost them the election in 2016… Or maybe they have their heads so far up their own asses that they genuinely don’t get it… Either way, it’s like they’re deliberately trying to alienate the very people who they need to show up and vote for them
Yeah, seems right. These people seem like shills trying to discourage people from voting against the Republicans, that really seems to be all there is to it. They make any argument they can to discourage people from participating at all.
That’s because you and @theilverpig@lemmy.world have been trained since 2016 to see any dissent as foreign opposition to the point that you can’t even see legitimate dissent anymore.
I was talking about the op of this comment thread… Not the original post… Bullying people to vote for Biden is a proven losing strategy. Dems and the shills they pay to troll on social media absolutely have to know this, so why would they continue to do what they know will drive people away and cause then to lose? The theory being, maybe they aren’t Dems, maybe they’re Rs pretending to be Dems… Personally, having worked closely with establishment Dems in the past, I honestly think they are dumb enough to try the bullying tactic again even though it lost them the election in 2016
I am starting to believe that the OP type of people aren’t actually Biden supporters or democrats but paid for Republicans/operatives who have market researched the most effective way to reduce voter turnout. Kind of like how cigarette companies were forced to make anti smoking ads and went with the least effective or most counter-effective campaigns they could go with.
Or maybe I know whats driving voter apathy is because I’m in the fucking group
It’s like the closer I get to neddling exactly what should get you to act in your own self interest, the faster you dismiss it as covert meddling
If you just assume I’m a troll then you will never see the train that is barreling down the track toward you.
Democrats lose without the progressive vote.
#DEMOCRATS DO NOT HAVE THE PROGRESSIVE VOTE RIGHT NOW
#OR MAYBE YES THEY DO, YOU CERTAINLY DONT REPRESENT MY PROGRESSIVE VOTE WITH YOUR ARROGANT ASSUMPTIONS
[the above is just making an important distinction, not really yelling though the screen]
Reality includes nuance, recognition, and rationale.
How many threads and comments are you posting about local, state, and federal politics that are even more important than President?
What Congressional Representatives are you mad at about genocide support?
Who should we be voting for/against in primaries other than just Biden? What state lawmakers are supporting genocide and need to be engaged over it?
Where’s the rest of your outrage for the little things that matter more than the optical illusion that is the Presidential race?
Or, alternatively, just recognize that you are now part of a distraction meant to disrupt American politics, and your cognitive dissonance prevents you from acknowledging certain realities, one of which is that your echo chamber is just an echo chamber. We all have to learn that eventually, or we will reap what we sow. The last time we really experienced a ‘reap what you sow’ in a Presidential election was in 2000 with Bush v. Gore. We got Bush, we got 9/11, then we got Iraq and Afghanistan wars that threw real people and families, in this country AND more so in the countries we invaded, into a murder meat grinder as a way to feed a military complex rather than feeding justice for the 9/11 dead. That is OUR modern legacy that must never be allowed to resurge. I’d argue we got lucky with Trump’s first term in terms of a ‘reap what you sow’ scenario, he was far more of an incompetent greedy clown than a corruption evil genius than expected, but he seems to have come around to leaning in towards a much more focused corrupt evil clown this time around that will coincide with much worse consequences and outcomes for all of us if his circus act succeeds.
Not everyone is on the same page even among progressives, and here, you are seeming like another side of the same Trumpie coin by demanding the litmus test for
conservativesProgressives be thissleepy corrupt demonic racistgenocide Joe line-in-the-sand narrative that is blaringly, obviously, propagandized as commentary that will be reinforced to divide and dilute voters that recognize the real world danger of Trump and his rhetoric.If genocide is what you are truly concerned about, wouldn’t a better focus of your internet-commenter ire and time be demanding change directly at Netanyahu and Israel’s government? They already had plenty of munitions and monetary support from the US for decades of suppression of the Palestinians’ self determination. Where were you 5 years ago on a seemingly ongoing genocide of Palestinians? 10 years ago? 15, 20, 25, 30, 40, 50 years ago when Israel was, based on a long history of not even just ‘liberalized/progressive’ media reports, accused of committing a genocide against Palestinians?
Biden is a half measure, but he’s the only half way acceptable option we have based on the system we live in. We aren’t going to have a civil war over this, and we can’t change the Constitution before November. Yelling at the sky does not at all fix anything. Offer solutions, and if there is one that is a better option than voting for Biden to prevent far more corruption from Trump, let us know now.
I HOPE I’M WRONG
But it’s just dumb to assume his rock-bottom approval is a mirage. And for its worth, I’d much rather be spending time thinking about literally any other race, but every fucking thread here is filled with self-congratulating affirmation that I can see literally anything but
I don’t see any Israeli propogandists here, but if I did, i’d feel about as confident about changing their mind as I do about changing a trump supporter’s mind. I happen to know progressives are upset; it’s not hard, all I have to do is point to the genocidal shit he’s doing. Everybody here agrees he needs to stop and yet laughably every criticism is couched in seven layers of ‘but i’m voting for that fucker anyway’ as if it’s too strong of a threat to let that possibility COOK HIS ASS a little to get him to change, even if it’s the obvious implication anyway. You all seem to be in a deep, deep pit of denial about this, and if I do nothing else but toss cold water on you for the next 5 months then i’ll be happy.
We’re 5 months out, we haven’t even held the convention yet. If we get to octoboer and he’s still a fucking POS, i’ll start couching my screaming with those addition affirmations, too, if it makes you feel better.
But fuck you if you want me to stop screaming for him to do better, and fuck you for pretending to care yourself.
So, ‘get in line’ with your view, or ‘fuck you’, is your message.
Progressives, including myself, are upset at Biden, but we’re not monolithic, and many of us are even reasonable grownups that don’t let our rage dictate how we respond to situations with vitriol and insults, or with demands that everyone else conform to our individuals views or be dismissed. I get it on some level, you’re obviously younger, I had the fervor of inexperienced passion with politics in my younger years as well. I actively try not to project my own shortcomings onto others to convince myself I’m right when I feel attacked. You’re losing the plot and only seeing red.
Who should we be voting for/against in primaries other than just Biden?
How many threads and comments are you posting about local, state, and federal politics that are even more important than President?
What Congressional Representatives are you mad at about genocide support?
What state lawmakers are supporting genocide and need to be engaged over it?
Where’s the rest of your outrage for the little things that matter more than the optical illusion that is the Presidential race?
Biden is the middle ground Republican-light compromise coward and always has been, none of your screaming is going to make him stop talking from both sides of his mouth. If anything, he’s had a few releases that were surprisingly harsher on Israel than some of us ever expected him to.
You are laser focused on the wrong-goddamn shit - looking for instant gratification by trying to make the story of the plight of Palestinians about Biden and a singular American election, when it’s about so much more and could have stronger impacts if it was focused on actionable solutions rather than reactions to public statements.
Mmmmm… I thought this was directed towards the op of this comment thread… Not the original post you made. Good meme in my opinion
That’d explain the split vote count
Sorry for the stray if it was, but frankly the odds do not point in that direction
Yeah I know… The Dems probably are dumb enough to try the bullying tactic again, even though they have to know it lost them the election in 2016… Or maybe they have their heads so far up their own asses that they genuinely don’t get it… Either way, it’s like they’re deliberately trying to alienate the very people who they need to show up and vote for them
Other left-wing spaces are so much better, but I shouldn’t be surprised because .world de-federated with everyone to their left.
Everyone that disagrees with me is a paid troll!
Everyone that disagrees with me is a paid troll!
Yeah, seems right. These people seem like shills trying to discourage people from voting against the Republicans, that really seems to be all there is to it. They make any argument they can to discourage people from participating at all.
I’ve kinda been thinking the same thing
That’s because you and @theilverpig@lemmy.world have been trained since 2016 to see any dissent as foreign opposition to the point that you can’t even see legitimate dissent anymore.
I was talking about the op of this comment thread… Not the original post… Bullying people to vote for Biden is a proven losing strategy. Dems and the shills they pay to troll on social media absolutely have to know this, so why would they continue to do what they know will drive people away and cause then to lose? The theory being, maybe they aren’t Dems, maybe they’re Rs pretending to be Dems… Personally, having worked closely with establishment Dems in the past, I honestly think they are dumb enough to try the bullying tactic again even though it lost them the election in 2016
Ah, I totally misread your comment. My apologies.