So as the title mentions, I’m wondering how much is too much?
I am currently using Brave with the setting to:
- Aggressively block trackers & ads
- Only connect with HTTPS
- Block fingerprinting
- Block cross-site cookies
In addition to that, I have installed the following extensions:
- uBlock Origin
- Ghostery
- Decentraleyes
- DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials
So my question is: Is this overkill? If so, what should/could be removed that may be redundant? I want as much coverage as possible, but not have things bloated.
I mean ublock origin is really all you need imo so I guess one
I disagree. Test your set up here :
https://d3ward.github.io/toolz/adblock.html
I use ublock and ad guard (app and DNS) together to get to 100%.
I get 100% using only ublock in firefox, without configuring either. Note that stacking filters not only reduces performance, but also increases your fingerprint.
speaking of finger printing I use these
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/canvasblocker/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/javascript-restrictor/
Oh, I used canvasblocker for a lot of years, it’s great. But I disabled it because from arkenfox it is not recommended together with privacy.resistfingerprinting.
how does your solution fare vs the coveryourtracks link?
I guess reasonably well? It’s hard to assess, but anyway I also use user.js from arkenfox which includes many other changes; they also have this service to detect fingerprints that I suspect you are interested in, it has the particularity to detect tampering.
just firefox + uBlock Origin => 100% - with the correct filterlists enabled ;)
Hmm, interesting tool! With just Brave blocking I get 96%, but turning on uBO, I get 100%.
Very interesting site.
On Vivaldi I get:
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No blocking in settings: 39% (how?)
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only Ghostery active: 86%
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only uBlock active: 100% (ghostery still reports trackers)
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Vivaldi Max blocking, no add-ons: 53%
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Vivaldi max blocking + Ghostery: 93%
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All max blocing and on: 100% (same as just uBlock)
uBlock reports 144 blocked
Ghostery reports 53 blocked
Even with only uBlock I get a report of 144 blocked ads (96%) with 150 tests and the site showing 100% score Interesting. It’s a nice test site, but I think I can conclude in my setup that uBlock is the best blocker, but a combination of Vivaldi’s settings and uBlock is a minimum. No clue if ghostery ads anything, but the site won’t test everything as it’s impossible to do that in the ad war we’re in.
Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to run these tests and share your results!
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One is the right number. Two is too many.
Please never do this! Read this thread from the developer of uBlock Origin. Using multiple content blockers together like this can and will cause issues, as well as will increase fingerprinting, etc, and there’s no gain or benefit at all from doing so.
I would disable Brave’s built-in ad/tracker blocking (leave the rest of the Shields’ functionality enabled), and would solely use uBlock Origin, and remove the other extensions. (You could even just stick to Brave’s built in ad/tracker blocking if you want to, but I just prefer uBlock Origin for its advanced features and compatibility)
As far as Decentraleyes goes, its essentially abandoned. You can use LocalCDN instead if you wish to do so, though its privacy benefits are debated. I mainly use it since I use uBlock Origin in Hard mode (which it complements uBo very nicely in both Medium or Hard Mode), and for the performance boost it gives, but its up to you. Ghostery and DDG Essentials should definitely be removed. (While DDG Essentials isn’t only content blocking, its other features are also just completely redundant and unnecessary with Brave)
DDG extension lets you enable and manage their private email forwarding service. It can also be done through their mobile browser but less convenient.
I use the extensions based on the Arkenfox user.js wiki. He describes what’s obsolete or redundant, etc. It’s a good quick read.
Ooh, I like this! Much appreciated.
Brave is trash and its owned by an asshole. I use adblock browser in my phone and Firefox otherwise. Not sure about the owner or Dev or whatever, but it’s much better quality for blocking ads.
An answer to the more pertinent question of how much is too much, however? None. There’s no such thing as too much ad blocking.
Why is it trash?
And why are Americans obsessed with the politics of who makes a product?
Its a free, as in free beer, browser. By using it you are not donating money to the CEO.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure he donated to (or still donates to?) homophobic action groups.
That’s more than enough reason to boycott something that person is in charge of, imo
How does that affect the software.
When you support software you support the company making it, allowing them to grow and profit. If someone does not want to financially support the actions of someone they disagree with, then that is fine.
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Wow he called me dork.
I’m offended
I do not want success for that man, therefore I’m not going to give his project market share
Market share… Of something that can be had free? You are making less and less sense.
Yes, because if the browser has no market share, there is no point in it continuing to exist and the company folds.
I don’t care if it’s free or costs money, the man gets paid if the product is successful. I don’t want to support him, therefore I don’t use the product. If enough people agree with me and do the same, the product dies & the man fails. Or at the very least the rest of the company kicks him out and the man still fails.
Like this isn’t rocket science
This makes no sense.
How do you expect to convince a large group to stop using a product? Just by saying “he’s bad”?
Be honest with yourselves and admit it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling of “sticking up to the man” by doing… Nothing.
You see you are deluding yourselves in believing you are making a change, but it’s all in your head.
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In 2008 he donated $1000 in support of California Proposition 8. I don’t know of anything else, at least publicly. Californians also voted and passed the amendment 52%/47%, it was thrown out by the courts.
More recently in 2020 he did say some of the typical conservative stuff about COVID lockdowns, mask mandates, calling Fouci a liar, etc.
Never mind the American politics nonsense, Brave has a history of slightly dodgy behaviour. Replacing websites ads with their own, keeping donations meant for creators, hijacking referral links and adding in their own, a lot of cryptocurrency shenanigans, and that’s just what’s on Wikipedia!
I agree with you, that’s irrelevant. What’s not irrelevant is that it’s chromium as in based on chrome, the browser trying to add drm to internet pages. Please use Firefox instead
Given that the US has almost zero privacy legislation, the politics of the owner/maker often hints at decisions that eventually make it into the software. Many of the reasons to avoid chrome and chromium are similar to this, though not about a specific person but about the values that google holds in fucking over standards. We see this reflected in some of the decisions of say social media platforms (even “free-as-in-beer” ones) and many companies.
In many cases, you’re still giving them money and/or power to continue fucking up open standards.
What money am I giving. I didn’t spend a singular cent.
What power am I giving. I didn’t vote for anything.
Who made you like this?
You sure about that?
Verily
Why waste your time on lemmy/kbin or the fediverse? Reddit/X/Threads are free-as-in-beer so you don’t pay for them, there’s more content, and you don’t pay for them. You can skip all of the ads with adblockers and have a great time.
I don’t get the point that you are trying to make
You just need uBlock. The other add-ons are redundant.
uBlock origin + NoScript. Imo.
But uBlock also has javascript blocking functionality, so I’m not sure NoScript is needed
NoScript also prevents clickjacking, redirection attack (if I remember correctly, also I’m not sure that it’s the correct term), and few more things that I can’t remember right now… From what I’ve heard one can replace them both with uMatrix, haven’t tried it though.
uMatrix is abandoned
I’m surprised no one has forked it yet, or at least none that I know of
I had no idea, thanks.
Pretty sure uMatrix is integrated into uBlock now (at least 90% of the functionality is)
It blocks JavaScript altogether. NoScript is more fine tuned to allow the minimal amount of js to function.
Yes for the browser i agree, sadly apps have trackers and ads too. A dns can be useful if it’s system wide for all that stuff. Nextdns, adguard, rethinkdns or decloudus comes to mind
So. Since many people basically have no idea of anything, Quick explanation:
Never use different Content Blocker Extensions together. They break eah pther in functionality, uBO Dev and a Adguard Dev made a official post about this problem on Twitter (aka. X). So, remove DDG, definitly remove Ghostery, there privacy pratices are worse, Decentralized Eyes is outdated, use it’s fork LocalCDN instead, uBlock Origin is u only necessary if you wanna use Features of it, which Brave Shields doesn’t have. uBO filters do work completly for Brave too, they both the the same syntax.
Never heard that Ublock and DDG isn’t good. Could you link the thread where this was found out?
Thanks for the ref.
Np
you can use them together you just got to know how to fix stuff
With a gurantee of 99% some things will break, and you can do everything with uBO others have + more Extensions makes you easily fingerprintable on Chromium browsers (Firefox too, but there is it hardery depending on the Extension), atleast some.
hardly.Try it first before you talk
You can have what Brave does except block ads/trackers, which uBO can cover anyway, but on Firefox or Librewolf instead. For extensions, ditch Ghostery.
Noted! I have been looking into Librewolf… Why is Ghostery not useful?
Ghostery used to sell (or just send back) user data to advertisers. While it was opt-in, that isn’t really a good look for a privacy tool. I stopped using it when that news broke out long ago, but I think now they are also showing ads of their own(?). Either way, uBO does almost everything now. I have Decentraleyes too, along with ClearURLs, and Privacy Badger (which supposedly is redundant to uBO now too).
My rule for this is if tor uses it its pretty dam good aka No script + Ublock Orgin
tor using ublock origin would be new to me. do you mean they now ship it by default or do you mean that you can install it like a regular firefox extension?
Oh come to think of it you might be right I don’t use tor a lot lol
Use Firefox with ubo. Stop using chromium browsers.
After reading through this whole thread, that’s exactly what I’m doing.
Firefox isn’t as secure as Chromium browsers due to its internal sandboxing and site isolation being substantially weaker (especially on Linux). If you are on a Linux machine, I recommend you use Brave with no ad blocking extensions because first, it comes with an ad blocker by default. Also, the more extensions you have, your attack surface increases.
If you are on Windows, you should be using Microsoft Edge paired with UBO Lite as it offers the highest security and UBO Lite doesn’t have access to the site data. If you are concerned about the telemetry of using Edge, you can turn it off and if you’re still paranoid, you will have to switch to Linux at this point.
Ditch ghostery and replace with privacy badger.
Is PrivacyBadger not made redundant by uBlock or any of the other extensions?
PrivacyBadger functionality is now built into uBO.
Source?
Where exactly does it say that??
I hope to find this out, too. I’m using UBO and Privacy Badger on Firefox.
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With brave you don’t need any of those addons.
On Firefox just uBlock is fine.
brave has its own ‘issues’ that should keep you far away from it.
I don’t use it just because I’m not a fan of how chromium browsers work. They have had some controversies too around their crypto stuff and other things, but I’m not too familiar with them.
I’ve tested a few browsers using Eff’s Cover Your Tracks website. The best is TOR, but Brave with no extensions is second, it said it provided a randomized fingerprint. Tried it with Firefox with uBlock and it said my comp had a unique fingerprint. Mullvad browser faired slighty better, cant recall the score, but at least it wasn’t unique. I tried it with Librewolf also with a load of extensions and it was a poor score as well. So, imo, you don’t need extensions with Brave. I think my settings are the same as yours.
You don’t need any of those.
The functions and lists of uBlock are built into Brave. Most of the rest are redundant. You’re just having the opposite effect that you’re trying to achieve. These extensions are just used to fingerprint you.
So you don’t use any extensions then?
Depends on which browser. On Brave the only ones I use are Proton Pass and ViolentMonkey. You can search/install/run scripts in ViolentMonkey to do the same thing as any other extension.
Websites can also dingier print you by your browser settings and extensions.
So, having a lot of extensions can defeat the purpose of privacy.
I try to keep default settings and a minimal number of extensions.
It depends on what browser and what extensions. Previously addon could be fingerprinted by detecting what web resourves they used (i think just chromium). On firefox extensions can get detected by sensing certain telltale changes they provide. eg. Inserting js in dom or blocking of ad/tracking domains. Even if the extension itself isnt identified, unique settings and multiple content blockers will make kinds of fingerprinting possible.
Just one is too many. The goal is to blend in not stand out. Use Mullvad Browser and Tor Browser.
Are you really standing out when over a third of all internet users use adblockers? Source in German
Everyone needs to be using the same lists…
