• Aradina [She/They]@lemmy.ml
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    So do people just not understand that temperature tolerance is a limited thing based on your climate and any deviations can feel significant?

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      No, they do not, and most of them aren’t willing to understand, either.

      People, or at least NT people, with higher temperature tolerance are almost always assholes about it - I have weird heat sensitivity, I suspect on account of my Autism, and I only stopped getting constant shit for it once I basically entirely stopped talking to NTs.

      The people in this thread are just seizing on an excuse to shit on people they perceive as weaker, or an excuse to shit on the English as if they are actually inherently evil just by existing. Or both.

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        Ableism is, unfortunately, extremely common on hexbear.

        I think that the shitting on the British is just overcompensation for having been really into Doctor Who and Sherlock in their Tumblr phase. I’m Australian, so I do love to insult the British, but people just overdo it.

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        It is interesting to see high heat and associated sweating as quite a powerful stimulus which often causes overstimulation particularly in people with neuro divergence. So sometimes it’s not even a heat tolerance problem but an overstimulation problem which NTs seem to have a hard time understanding.

        Also like others have said, perception of temperature changed is largely dependent on where your current baseline is.

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          I have fibromyalgia and autism so it’s a combo for me. Heat makes pain worse, discomfort increases sensitivity, etc etc bad times.

          Even just new meds can fuck with your ability to process heat. When I started prozac I would feel hot and get sweaty from basically any activity, which then meant I’d get cold, shiver, sweat more. NTs are fucking weird

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          In my case it almost feels like my body’s reaction to heat has a screwed-up sense of how hot things are. I can’t take hot showers, for example, which are objectively not dangerous, because they genuinely feel like they are going to burn me - normal-hot-shower temperature water feels like like a wet hot pan, it’s like my cap is just lower. Ambient heat in the air and light doesn’t do that in the same way, but it can make walls and stuff feel like that, naturally.

          I hadn’t thought of it from the overstimulation angle before, though, but now that I think about it I think you’re right, that is at least part of why I hate ambient heat and particularly sweating. Thank you for that insight.

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            That sounds super frustrating, do you have any idea why that might be? I know certain conditions like Raynauds or some medication can fuck with temperature perception.

            Oh no worries, my partner described it to me that way as she gets pretty much the same symptoms in the heat that she gets in large crowds or noisy environments. Then we looked it up and other people (especially those with ASD) described it the same way!

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              What news outlets publish any kind of article about the suffering of disables people due to the environment?

              Genuinely I would like to know if you hear about how post covid disabled people suffer in any kind of mainstream media?

              Just because you construct an ideal justified victim of the UK heat doesn’t actually excuse you from the reality of who will be victimised.

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                It’s been hotter than this “heatwave” in my home country (with no AC) every day for the last 20 years

                I am not going to cry for Angloids because you have put a progressive spin on your whinging and self-victimization at lukewarm temperatures

                This is pure first-world-problems and chauvinism, the article is centering the conversation on Britain as a whole being under duress, it doesn’t say anything about disabled people. It’s another in a long line of white people being the center of the world and any minor inconvenience to them being a huge deal everyone else has to consider and worry about. I don’t give a fuck if Britain is 80 F. Literal non-story that has wasted my time, yet another anglo imposition of specialness

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                  Disabled people exist wether or not a shitass news org covers them, dipshit.

                  It’s progressive to be concerned over disabled people in the imperial core, you are literally just being ableist.

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      Not to mention that just from person to person within the same climate there are significant differences, probably genetic at their core. Two people can be sitting in the exact same spot and one will be burning up and the other freezing cold and neither of them are “wrong”

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    Tbf if thats higher than the infrastructure can support it will cause problems even if thats not that hot. Like they dont have AC anywhere. All the infrastructure is made to keep heat in because it was so cold

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    You eat toasted bread between two untoasted pieces of bread.

    Sugar is too spicy.

    You’ll literally die if you don’t get a “pint” in you daily.

    Your red and look like a bulldog.

    You are English.

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    I’ll defend the islanders and their weak constitutions.

    At high enough humidity you can’t cool down from sweat, so a 88°F/31°C wetbulb temperature can be lethal. Add in sunlight, combining radiation with convection, which gives the extra 9°F/5°C needed to kill you. Humidity and direct sunlight can make 79° lethal, especially when combined with physical exertion.

    It’s not just the gout and aristocratic inbreeding that’s killing them I swear!

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      The weirdly low dangerous wetbulb temperatures are actually arrived at with extremely low humidity and a very high dry bulb temperature. As long as the dry bulb temperature is below body temperature you can still passively cool especially with moving air, although obviously it gets much worse the closer both numbers get to body temperature. A dry bulb that’s 20 degrees below body temperature will always be cool regardless of how efficient sweating given the humidity.

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        I’m aware, but you’re ignoring solar gain. A dry bulb in shade will read differently than a dry bulb in direct Sun; sunlight can easily add enough heat to raise the dry bulb from 79°F to 88°F because you’re getting heat from radiation in addition to convection.

        Then add in physical activity and poor air flow, add in people unprepared to dress appropriately and poor hot-climate infrastructure, it’s entirely possible for 79°F to become dangerous - especially to vulnerable populations.

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          “If you’re wearing a parka, and doing heavy exercise in the sun, and not drinking water, and also you have other health problems too, then this otherwise cool and pleasant temperature would become a problem” isn’t a very sound argument. Like yes, if you’re actively overheating yourself and also dehydrated and also overdressed and also you don’t do anything at all to mitigate these things you’re actively doing then you’re in for a bad time, but you can also mitigate this by not doing that, by drinking enough water, and by having an electric fan. You should never just passively have trouble with a temperature that’s 20 degrees below body temperature, that’s colder than an air conditioned space should be. Like here the temperature outside actually is 88F, it’s passively 85F inside, and after running the AC for a while I stopped it at 82F because it was getting chilly.

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            “If you’re able to do x y and z to mitigate the heat then this is a cool and pleasant temperature” is not a sound argument either.

            Public health warnings are not about naked people sitting perfectly still in the shade in front of a fan. Try doing manual labor in the Sun while wearing PPE and your boss will fire you if he catches you sitting down or taking too many water breaks. Warnings like this give workers the power they need to stand up to their boss because, if they are injured, liability falls back on the boss. We aren’t just talking about people “passively” having trouble, we’re talking about the entire population.

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              79F isn’t even “you need to mitigate this” weather. It’s cold, and only if you do things that would be dangerous at even colder temperatures does it hypothetically become a problem. You can give yourself heatstroke while standing knee deep in snow if you try hard enough, that doesn’t mean freezing temperatures are dangerously high.

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    For those wondering why this is bad in the UK, it’s currently 3am and the humidity is 85%.

    We have a very wet country. These temperatures are very difficult to cool down in with this kind of humidity.

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      Bro I wish that were the case as that would imply proper insulation. From my experience they’re draughty fabrications which use too much energy to keep warm in the winter and are wholly unprepared for dealing with anything above 25°C.

      Truth is, just more affordable housing please. And if you’re being generous, more forward thinking affordable housing, please.

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    lmao are english people ok? it is 95 degrees outside where I am as we speak and i dont consider this unusual in the least

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      Also 95 here, but after visiting the UK during one of their “heat waves” I’d rather be here in Florida at 95 than the UK at 80.

      Here we’ve built our society around air conditioning, I move from climate controlled space to climate controlled space spending as little time out in the 95 degrees as possible. For the short time it’s nice outside, our houses are largely built to encourage a cross-breeze from one end to the other.

      In the UK even though it wasn’t as hot outside there was no relief. Nowhere had AC. Not the houses, not the businesses, not the busses or trains or stations. All the buildings were made to keep air and heat in, so everywhere was 90 degrees inside. They barely even had ice for drinks most places.

      And to add on top of that, people there aren’t acclimated to the heat. I keep it at 78 degrees inside my apartment, but when I first moved here I would’ve been dying at 78 indoors.

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        You’re giving British people way too much credit. Plenty of places like NYC you do not move between climate controlled spaces all of the time and the vast majority do not do so in a climate controlled vehicle, PLUS NYC can be just as humid as the UK

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    I feel sympathy for the people of TERF Island when temperatures are genuinely too high because the infrastructure is actually not built to handle temperatures like 32C (90F).

    But 26C is straight up nice day outside/just open your windows and dress lightly weather. Actually my room temp in the US right now with no AC is warmer than this and humid and I have no fan running lol.

    Apparently the stiff upper lip melts at room temperature.

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      26C is straight up nice day outside

      if you’re used to living in a sun scorched hell maybe, as a north easterner USian anything close to 80F is extremely uncomfortable without AC

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          going outside for a few minutes in 80 isn’t too bad, i just mean as an all day indoor temp with no air conditioning. the large majority of americans are used to AC while the large majority of brits are not. most americans used to AC would be whining even more than them if we lost it, if you personally have no problem with it, you’re stronger than every american i’ve met lmao. literally every college kid in my state who didn’t get an air conditioned dorm complains about it as if they’re suffocating in the pits of hell

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    Great thread to prove my theory that Americans aren’t actually real people, but just homonculi built with an inherent compulsive desire to be the greatest white people on the planet, and absolutely no restrictions on being dumb assholes about it.

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    How the hell do so many of you not understand that some people actually have work manual labor outside in the sun?

    “sTaY iN tHe sHadE aNd tUrN oN a fAn lol” picard

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      people have to do that all over the world, including in places where 79F is a nice cool day. British who can’t handle a warm day are a joke, I grew up laboring hard in Egypt. Guess what, we didn’t have AC

      This is the weather in my birthplace right now, and it’s not a “heat wave” just normal temperature. It doesn’t even get below 79F at night during lows half the time! What a joke Britain!

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    26C “heatwave” 😂

    Bitch, my AC is set to 28C right now, and the outside temp is 38C. It’s the coolest day of the week, the other day it was 40C IN THE FUCKING SHADES! Flip flops are literally melting under your feet as you walk on the sidewalk.