• Alphane Moon@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    How is Ukraine’s government complicit in genocide?

    What country do I want to invade and destroy their culture/language/society?

    What are you on about?

    I am Ukrainian, I live in Ukraine. I’ve also lived in the russia for 10 years and even to this day have a few russian friends.

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      4 months ago

      How is Ukraine’s government complicit in genocide?

      Via “support for territorial integrity of Azerbaijan” and such stuff.

      What country do I want to invade and destroy their culture/language/society?

      Republic of Artsakh, or at least the state representing you does that.

      What are you on about?

      Nothing more than what I said.

      Also this isn’t too specific to Ukraine, but one can’t absolve states from doing such things simply because there are too many others doing the same.

      And being one of the strongest ex-Soviet states, it affects the issue quite a lot.

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        4 months ago

        What other states have recognized NK/Artsakh as independent or part of Armenia? What’s Armenia take on this specific issue?

        I am going by memory, but hasn’t Armenia itself not recognized Artsakh as independent and legally they consider it to be part of Azerbaijan? If this is correct, does that mean the Armenian government is also complicit in genocide of Artsakh Armenian, or how does this work? Or did I get this wrong?

        Ukraine wants to invade NK/Artsakh? Come on now…

        You have a completely wrapped perception of the Ukrainian government’s and public’s view on NK/Artsakh.

        I just hope you just aren’t aware of reality and are not wasting my time with this…

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          What other states have recognized NK/Artsakh as independent or part of Armenia?

          How is this relevant? Technically Armenia did in 1991, because Artsakh had a unification referendum (then supported, for example, by the EU), but during the war it kinda backtracked to the position I’m describing further.

          What’s Armenia take on this specific issue?

          Armenia’s take can be either that Artsakh is part of it or that it can’t represent Artsakh. I mean, that’s logical.

          QP government has said all kinds of things, but they are not legitimate after 2021 in my opinion.

          I am going by memory, but hasn’t Armenia itself not recognized Artsakh as independent and legally they consider it to be part of Azerbaijan?

          Armenian government’s position was that it recognizes the authority of the OSCE Minsk Group, the principles of resolution of which included mandatory right to self-determination.

          So no. What it did was that Artsakh can either be independent or undetermined for all eternity until a solution satisfying all principles is found. It was considered that with 3 nuclear powers as guarantors there won’t be more war.

          If this is correct, does that mean the Armenian government is also complicit in genocide of Artsakh Armenian, or how does this work? Or did I get this wrong?

          You got it wrong, but since 2020 the Armenian government has said all kinds of things, including such. And yes, it’s definitely complicit.

          Which doesn’t negate the simple fact that Artsakh is in Armenia’s declaration of independence as part of it and in its constitution as something it can’t recognize as part of Azerbaijan contrary to its right of self-determination.

          Ukraine wants to invade NK/Artsakh? Come on now…

          Didn’t say that.

          You have a completely wrapped perception of the Ukrainian government’s and public’s view on NK/Artsakh.

          I hope so, but all the official statements suck.

          I just hope you just aren’t aware of reality and are not wasting my time with this…

          As I said.