Abigail Disney, the granddaughter to Roy O. Disney, who cofounded The Walt Disney Company, told CNBC on Thursday that she plans to withhold donations to the party she has funded for years until Biden drops out. The president has said he has no plans to withdraw from the race, despite calls for him to do so.

“I intend to stop any contributions to the party unless and until they replace Biden at the top of the ticket. This is realism, not disrespect. Biden is a good man and has served his country admirably, but the stakes are far too high,” Abigail Disney said in a lengthy statement to CNBC. “If Biden does not step down the Democrats will lose. Of that I am absolutely certain. The consequences for the loss will be genuinely dire.”

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    Isn’t the push behind Biden “making the best of a bad system”?

    Unless the ‘bad system’ is the opinions of the US electorate, no.

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        No, I think Biden is the candidate who has the widest support in the electorate, which is why he’s worth rallying behind to stop Trump.

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          That’s literally “making the best of a bad system”

          You don’t like the choice you’re making, but you’re picking what you perceive as the “least bad”.

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            That’s literally “making the best of a bad system”

            I didn’t realize I thought democracy was a bad system.

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              You think the US’s implementation of democracy that forces you to pick the least bad between two candidates you don’t like is

              • A good system
              • The only implementation of a democracy

              ?

              And that’s without getting started on the electoral college.

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                You think the US’s implementation of democracy that forces you to pick the least bad between two candidates you don’t like is

                Democracy, yes. It will always be the ‘least bad’ choice in a democracy, unless you have some miracle roll of the dice where a candidate 100% agrees with you, or a cultlike devotion to them.

                A good system

                What parts of the system that make it bad are anti-democratic elements - which are not particularly relevant in whether my choice should be Biden or Trump.

                The only implementation of a democracy

                This may come as a shock, but if the majority of people in any democratic system prefer candidates that I think are shit, those are what my effective choices are going to be narrowed down to. That’s kind of the point of a democracy.

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                  You know there are other forms of democracy right? This isn’t the only way to select an executive, and many of those systems aren’t about choosing the least bad option.

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                    What system would present more than two choices when two candidates hold near-majority support?

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                  What parts of the system that make it bad are anti-democratic elements - which are not particularly relevant in whether my choice should be Biden or Trump.

                  Or in other words, the system you’re in is flawed but you’re working within the constraints of those flaws to get the best outcome you can find.

                  Making the best of a bad system

                  The US is only in this predicament because the system it has currently allowed a candidate who lost the popular vote in 2016 to get into an office that had enough power to meaningfully damage the country.

                  However it’s clear from your repeated and deliberate attempts to reframe criticism of that system as an attack on the very concept of democracy itself that you aren’t arguing in good faith here.

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                    Or in other words, the system you’re in is flawed but you’re working within the constraints of those flaws to get the best outcome you can find.

                    Making the best of a bad system

                    Except that the issue you’re discussing, the choice being narrowed between Biden and Trump in this election, is not related to the anti-democratic flaws of that system.

                    However it’s clear from your repeated and deliberate attempts to reframe criticism of that system as an attack on the very concept of democracy itself that you aren’t arguing in good faith here.

                    Sorry that you find democracy such an offensive concept.