Jabril [none/use name]

I’m not arguing in favor of illiteracy I’m saying that the average person won’t make time to get more literate between their three jobs but they will show up to get free groceries or a dental exam

I agree generally that people in this country no matter their class background benefit enough from imperialism and the domestic slave colony to not put effort into their own political development. I do think however, after a decade of serious organizing, nearly all the best comrades I’ve ever met have more to gain from the status quo than they do by being communists. They devote their lives to it because it is right, and they have seen too much to go back. The average person does benefit but also agrees with every socialist policy and just thinks it isn’t attainable because they have never been educated about politics beyond the default programming. Literally our jobs as communists to find those people and show them that they can change things and how.

which is why I said fully invested. if they aren’t invested enough to vote, they are just default libs because they were born here, just like literally everyone else who was born here, you and me included.

I think almost half the eligible voting population didn’t vote and there’s a massive base of people who are not eligible to vote beyond that.

Lmao if only this were true. If only one of the dozens of liberals I spent hours explaining why Kamala was not getting my vote to actually changed their position because of it.

yes exactly “we can build our own resilience hubs and logistic networks so we can feed ourselves when the government abandons us again” is a stronger sell and meets people where they are vulnerable, their own survival. Connecting to people by immediately helping them survive is going to build stronger relationships quicker. apply all the concepts that we know to the structure and organization but I think going “socialist party” route is old hat

I think organizations built around solving more pressing needs will do better. You won’t be able to get a person that you are describing to show up to a reading group or to get educated just for education sake. Maybe you could get a person but not many. If you are giving them food when they need food, or helping them get their car lights fixed so they don’t get pulled over and have to pay tickets, or helping them fight their landlords and bosses through organizing legal clinics, or helping them get their power back on, you create a captive audience who have the same issues in life and have come to you willingly because you help them to survive. This is more powerful than helping them to be educated or literate, things they don’t likely see these as issues of importance in their lives, no matter how wrong they may be about that.

Not in US, a socialist party implies what OP posted, making a brand, some rules, and a book club. virtually no socialist party in america of note is actively engaged with serving the people at all, and their membership is mostly made up of people who do not look like the most marginalized and oppressed.

They do this every time a republican wins to some degree, what matters is how you keep them engaged and developed while they still care, because I give it 2 weeks before most libs go back to their normal lives.

tbh I doubt they would even get back to you for that, PSL is notoriously bad at getting back to people in general while also only helping people to promote PSL and Peace & Freedom’s candidates or show up to ANSWER stuff. maybe they will be changing these things with the election over, trying to use the momentum to build their party up.

I think non political people who have the standard 8th grade civ level of understanding installed and otherwise are just obviously people who care about life and other living things are really the best because it is easy to walk them to “the system doesn’t work,” they typically understand that already and just don’t have the words to describe it. getting a group of people in similar shitty circumstances together and forming a plan on how to tackle those issues through building an organization together can be as easy as a bbq in the lawn at your local slumlord’s apartment building. just need to analyze your local conditions and find the contradictions that have the most kinetic energy so to speak

it doesn’t have to be a socialist party, it could be built around serving the people

Those are not the people who are going to be organized, they are fascists taking their masks off. The average Black and Indigenous person in America does not think this way. The average Muslim, Arab, or even Asians in general most likely do not think this way. Communists organize the most marginalized and oppressed, not fully invested liberals.

Honestly it would probably be more strategic to start something that directly helps the local people and opens them up to inoculation than try and start a PSL chapter

I’m thankful that the queer and BIPOC libs who voted for Harris will be forced to consider participating in organizing out of fear of Trump instead of rolling over and letting Harris usher in WW3 without pause. White libs will keep sliding right but I have a little hope that other people will see the writing on the wall like they did under the first Trump president before immediately wiping their minds for Biden

I think this is kind of right, but there is no promise Trump and his team will be incompetent and less harmful. I think it’s just true that if either were to be, it would be him, and definitely not her. Harris will definitely follow the script, Trump might improv sometimes in a way that is actually less bad than the script. He might follow it too though, he did cut his teeth on the stage after all (at WWE)

I enjoy most of their content and most of them seem like fun and cool people as far as people go, Grant being one of my least favorite for several reasons but still funny sometimes. I think it is less a “leftist for clout” situation at the outset and more like what most radlibs (dem socs, anarchists especially) do which is sincerely want a better world but have a very surface level of theoretical development and will not prioritize that over developing a career and becoming a stable beneficiary of imperialism treat enjoyer. I have high hopes for Beardsley to be the vanguard of dropout employees but I think it is more likely that dropout’s continued success will lead them all in the direction of $$

and tbh I am harsh and think calling to vote for kamala is cringe but its a pretty standard and typical position in this country and it isn’t surprising that publicly these up and coming celebrities would want to seem like “normal progressives” even if they have deeper more revolutionary desire, hopefully that is the case but I have a lot of doubt about that

I had high hopes for him and do love his work but yeah he definitely could do better to embody the characters he is very good at writing and portraying. Although he is now a parent and is becoming progressively more wealthy through a career in Hollywood so it is much more likely that his trajectory will trend the other way

Yeah Beardsley getting arrested and also not promoting voting stuff is why I excluded them but giving money to charity and being pro-labor can easily be lib positions in the current climate. Giving money to Palestinian charities and then saying vote for Kamala is not even radlib, its just lib

Outside of Ally Beardsley who I have not seen promote voting for Kamala or taking part in fundraisers and phone banking for Kamala, the rest of them are at most on the LA DSA mailing list and otherwise just make more and more money in Hollywood and get hired into more and more Hollywood jobs. Even Brennan was just promoting voting on his stories yesterday, these are the “free Gaza, vote Kamala” types of libs who want the aesthetics of leftism as a virtue signal and marketing tactic. I follow a lot of them and have been seeing all the cringe most of them have been posting

Nah the most political any of them are is LA DSA mailing lists (not actively organizing) except Ally Beardsley maybe. Even Brennan just posted all these stories yesterday about how to vote and why it is important etc etc. They are making a lot of money in Hollywood now, they want to use the aesthetics of leftism to virtue signal but they are the type of libs who say free gaza and they vote for the person doing the genocide because cheeto man bad