Kiev will conscript 160,000 more troops over the next three months, according to statements from lawmakers and media outlets. More than a million soldiers have already been drafted, yet high losses have left the Ukrainian Armed Forces plagued by manpower shortages.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces had around 250,000 active-duty personnel at the beginning of 2022, a number that rapidly swelled once Vladimir Zelensky called up reservists and forbade draft-age men from leaving the country.
This spring, faced with mounting losses, Kiev lowered the draft age from 27 to 25 and significantly tightened mobilization rules, requiring potential recruits to report to conscription offices for “data validation.” These checks often result in people being immediately taken into the army and sent to the front line.
They don’t have a choice. It is this or being Russian slaves.
They don’t have a choice. It is this or being Russian slaves.
Hey, thank you for your insightful comment!
Could you please expand on that and tell me more about people in Crimea and other liberated cities being Russian slaves?
Also while you are at it - could you please also explain to me how being unable to leave your country where you can be kidnapped on a street at any day and sent to die is not considered slavery / is better than “being Russian slave”? How did that happen that “Russian slaves” can move to Ukraine controlled territories at any time and supposedly stop being slaves, but those who are on Ukraine controlled territories cannot do the opposite (and yet for some reason you wouldn’t consider them slaves)?
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Liberated? Go and fuck yourself, Russian troll.
Well, I didn’t expect a better answer :)
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй
Да, хорошую историю с нашими “героями” которые якобы предпочли умереть чем сдаться русским форсили тогда в новостях… Потом правда оказалось что они таки все сдались, и даже в википедии на понятном для тебя языке это описано, но история то какая ;)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_warship,_go_fuck_yourself
Anyway, calling me Ivan (a Slavic, not a Russian name) and writing to me in Russian to allege that I’m Russian is incredibly stupid… You do know that Ukraine (except the western part of it) speaks (or rather speaked, until the war and introduction of “language-police” in some cities…) Russian a lot, and especially so in cities? I’ve heard very little Ukrainian on the streets back when I lived in Ukraine :)
Anyway, you do not seem to be interested in having a discussion or changing your mind :(
Even Ukrainians are now starting to understand what western backed regime is doing to them
This is so fucking bleak man
What a dire situation.
I wonder how we got here.
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lol forced.
The wording of these things. While technically correct, it’s a draft. Because you know, the thousand day invasion threatening their existence.
Conscription is usually an ongoing event. A draft is a specific, often temporary, implementation of conscription.
go sign up for the foreign legion turd
That’s literally what forced means. Are you an Israeli or something?
It’s the negative connotation of the wording that I was implying, not the meaning.
Are you American or something?
He is implying Ukrainians are not drafted Israel style. There is no 30 day prison vacation for refusing to obey. These people are thrown in the back of a van and transported to the battlefield to slightly extend what is already a lost war.
The west is not serious about supporting Ukraine to victory. That much should be obvious by now. Even the mainstream newspapers are saying Ukraine is not fighting to win now.
I’m not Israeli though. What is Israeli style. Israel is not being invaded.
Without sending troops, there isn’t much else the west can do beyond allowing deep strikes with their missiles which I agree should never have been an issue.
Again though, conscription via a draft while forced yes, is not the inference of the wording of the article. It’s trying to paint Ukraine in a bad light for having to do it vs Russia who have done worse for their manpower goals.
The argument is not “Russia good”. Russia bad too.
The point is: any Ukrainian who is not ideologically driven to fight against Russia should not be forced to do so. Their deaths will not achieve anything meaningful.
This is a war of attrition. Ukraine has not received the military support required to win.
Hmm Ukraine can’t receive men so they have to use their own men. I don’t understand the argument
Ukraine can receive men. There are multiple volunteers from other countries fighting for Ukraine.
You too are allowed to go and fight for Ukraine. Are you willing to risk your own life, or admit that Ukrainian men are treated as disposable toys instead of humans?
Argument: War is almost lost. People are finite.
Because you know, the thousand day invasion threatening their existence.
Whose existence?
Seriously, what kind of mental gymnastics one needs to do to consider this a valid argument…
Show me, how is the existence of people on liberated territories (like Crimea, Melitopol and so on) are threatened?
Or maybe those people are actually okay (well, at least relatively to those of us who are still stuck on Zelensky controlled territories…) and it’s the lives of those whom Zelensky can still reach are threatened, because his regime can kidnap them at any moment and send to the meatgrinder?Removed by mod
Is it better to be drafted now, or wait until Putin has another territory to “liberate”
Are you absolutely seriously asking whether it is better to almost cetrainly die now, or have a chance of dying in some hypothetical situation later? I’ll choose the latter every single time, thank you…
Is it suddenly ok when it’s Russia drafting “free” Ukrainians from those “liberated” territories?
No, it’s also not OK. It doesn’t happen on even remotely similar scale to what Zelensky is doing.
Are the kidnapped children free now? Happy? Doubtful.
Probably not.
At least they are alive in contrast to all the men Zelensky’s regime kidnapped and sent to die.Living there, it seems like you live your normal life. But you can’t express your thoughts, there are topics you can’t discuss, you can’t go where you want. You live like a spider in a jar. You are kept inside, and you run in circles like horses in a circus ring. Those who expect Ukraine to save us are having a hard time. It’s hard on morale. You’re not allowed to speak about Ukraine; Ukrainian symbols are banned. If you hear something, or say something they think is wrong, they grab you and put you in a basement.
So, the same as in Ukraine, but without the kidnappings and with an ability to leave at any time.
What
Forced? Their fighting for their survival for fuck’s sake.
They are forced. They fight against the Ukrainian Army for their survival, because being drafted means they will probably die at this point. If they could keep avoiding the army, they would probably survive until this madness ends.
You can have your side on this and think Ukraine is fighting for survival, but that’s a point of view, an idea. Some facts are:
- Ukraine is currently loosing this war. It’s even territorial.
- Ukraine is loosing support from their allies. And if Trump wins, which is somehow plausible, they’d be practically alone.
- Recently drafted citizens are just that, they are not soldiers. With their morale, they probably aren’t even fighters.
- A good chunk of the remaining Ukrainian people don’t want to fight no more.
- Drafting more inexperienced citizens will at best slow down the course of the current events.
Yeah, when the nazi press gang shows up that is what they’re doing, huh?
Are you contesting that it’s “Forced”? It matches the textbook definition of the word
no dear, that’s the palestinians. the ukrainians will be mostly fine once this war is finally over.
Yeah the conscription can be pretty violent
The people who are forced to the frontline certainly do.
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It is when that border comes to your home though surely.
Are we all forgetting what an invasion is or something?
no, and please don’t start defending next to my house, thanks
I hope it never comes
yeah, me too
The only “fight for survival” is against Zelensky.
