Ugh these people suck so bad. On average, western leftists are worse than useless. Some bullet points are kinda interesting, even if annoying.
Ugh these people suck so bad. On average, western leftists are worse than useless. Some bullet points are kinda interesting, even if annoying.
We literally do not have downvotes, hence all the replies trying to get somebody to make an actual point.
How can people have this sort of smug self-confidence in their beliefs if they cannot articulate a single point even when directly invited to do so? Literally one of you just make a point and then give a “why”. Preferably make the “why” better than “because I received any negative reception for my vague but obviously antagonistic comment.”
The article has a bunch of bullets. Pick one. Spot on. My point is the article was right. I mean, just own it. Chasing people away from communism is pretty much all lemmy communists do lol.
And, what I meant is I use voyager as my client, and it allows me to hide the voting thing. So… it’s just missing. I wouldn’t know if you had or did not have it. You mentioned it. 🤷♂️
Multiple comments have gone through bulletin points and explained why they’re wrong. If you can’t engage with specific criticism then don’t defend the article?
And if you say seriously engaging with criticism will get you a ton of dismissive replies, this is actually what willfully ignoring it will do, and has done.
You have no idea what communism is. I am 100% certain of that.
I do. I’m just not a tankie.
Explain to me what communism is.
I explained my position to someone else in this thread. It was my last comment before this I think.
Never mind here
https://discuss.online/comment/12098443
Yeah because you’re a moron
So what is it
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ARE YOU REDDIT INCARNATE?
You pick one! Jesus Christ it was your post in the first place that lead to this whole comment chain! You can’t even pick your own goddamn bullet point? You have got to be fucking with me dawg!
Holy fuck seriously, what orgs are you a part of so I know not to have anything to fucking do with them, then you can talk about “chasing people away from communism.”
Hell, try elaborating that point even. How do you think we are chasing people from communism? Are our shit-posts just too shitty?
Just stop shit-posting and dunking entirely and focus on promoting the positive parts of communities with equality in a more strategic way to effect measurable change.
Communism is grounded in compassion, in the idea of working toward a truly liberated society, not one that merely replaces the oppressors of yesterday with new oppressors today. And yet, when I look at many so-called leftists, I see them betraying that principle every day, more interested in ideological purity or geopolitical “victories” than in standing for justice. They might claim they’re against fascism, but when they excuse brutality and silence in the name of their ideology, I see little difference between them and the right-wing authoritarians they claim to despise.
Maybe I’m just a soft dick.
It is the communist movements that you decry as ‘replacing oppressors of yesterday with the oppressors of today’ that have managed to massively improve people’s lives. They are the ones that fought against colonialism and capitalism and achieved some success. Not the people who whine about how bad we are and then just side with the colonial metropoles that exterminate and enslave the rest of the world.
The sort of actions and policies that we support have been proven to work for the liberation of humanity. You have been proven to work for the world’s enslavement.
Well, we are going to have to disagree a bit. I don’t accept any oppressor as a step forward.
This is idealistic liberal bullshit.
Strange that a self-proclaimed anarchist would be so in love with the idea of an oppressor.
I want to oppress you so bad actually, when the Dictatorship of The Queer is a reality I will personally find you so I can transify you
hell yeah call me authoritarian, red fash and all the rest of the meaningless buzzwords, you’re still going to put on the cat ears and the thigh highs
the fuck did I say that? fuck off.
You literally advocate for colonialism. You literally want to oppress most of the world under your authority.
Right.
For you, there is no difference between (people being forced to work 14 hours a day, 6 days a week, having no guaranteed access to housing, education and healthcare, women not being protected from marital SA, having a life expectancy of 30 or so years), and literally the opposite with life expectancy rising by 60% within 30 years.
You also see no difference between literal old-style colonialism and the lack thereof. Literal pro-colonial white European child is what you are.
Please, tell us more about compassion and how bad we want to ‘oppress’ people by giving women fundamental rights, providing people in general with essential needs, including housing and healthcare, eliminating illiteracy, etc.
EDIT: if you want colonialism so much, why don’t you volunteer to be treated as people were treated under the Red Rubber laws?
Also, it’s funny how you don’t want any authority over you, but want to subjugate non-white people as your slave and near-slaves
What? I have no idea where you got that. You just read whatever you want?
This is my problem, you just make shit up. I want everything in your last paragraph. We don’t need to have an oppressive government to make that happen.
Either you do not actually speak about any movement that we support, or you don’t see any difference between before and after they succeeded. Which is it?
I literally listed some of the things that the USSR managed to achieve within the first 30 years of its existence. Pretty sure almost all of that also applies to the PRC (just with the different starting line expectancy).
Cool. Then you want the USST, the PRC, Cuba, liberated Korea, etc.
You claim that every movement that achieved those things was ‘oppressive’. As such, this claim of yours is unsupported.
EDIT: Also, what is your plan for defending against a NATO invasion?
If you are against the dictatorship of the proletariat as a necessary step, then you are not a communist. I don’t know if that’s what you are saying though, since you are still saying practically nothing at all.
YOU ARE THE ONE DOING THE SHITPOSTING AND DUNKING RIGHT NOW WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU MASSIVE IDIOT
Also hexbear does a lot of community organising and social events, so what the fuck are you even talking about you massive idiot?
HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO THE DISCUSSION GOING ON? CONGRATULATIONS YOU SAID SOMETHING BUT YOU MANAGED TO MAKE IT A COMPLETE NON-SEQUITEUR MAKING YOUR POSITION EVEN MORE VAGUE AND INCOMPREHENSIBLE WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU NEVER TALKED WITH A HUMAN BEING BEFORE?
And what exactly are you doing here, outreach and solidarity? Movement building?
Okay, so, you are saying that you know for a fact that communist orgs ‘hyperfocus on bureaucracy’. Which orgs have you been to to know that, I wonder?
Sounds suspiciously as if this is just a vibes-based analysis for you, and that you think that this article painting a picture that coincides worth what you have been told by the people who invaded Iraq and other countries.
No it’s based on observing behavior from ML and hexbear.
Ah, so it is just a vibes-based analysis with you not having any understanding of the topic.
ABOUT WHAT??? HOW CAN YOU NOT GET IT? WHAT IS THAT BULLET POINT SPOT ON ABOUT? YOU STARTED OUT WITH SAYING YOU AGREE WITH THE ARTICLE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO ELABORATE. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORD OR THE CONCEPT?
YOU DID! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN YOUR BRAIN