Don’t get me wrong, I get blaming the voters because this was not the election to take a stand. I used to tell people to suck it up, vote for Harris and then hammer your complaints until the DNC gets the point. However, looking at how the DNC has responded to their loss I don’t think there would ever come a time where people could voice their issues with the democratic party. Eventually the dems would’ve suffered such a catastrophic loss because they don’t listen to their voters and keep drifting to the right.
The voters don’t own an allegiance to the democratic party. The party is supposed to get the vote by actually representing the voters. That is not happening and ultimately that is not the fault of the voter, that fault lies solely with the party. They didn’t listen back in 2016 when they lost, they didn’t listen back in 2020 when they did win (people didn’t vote for Biden, they voted against Trump) and so far it seems they’re not going to listened this time as well. You can’t blame the voters when the dems are the ones not listening.
Yeah, the outcome sucks. Yes, America would’ve been better off if Harris had won. But even if Harris had won all it would’ve done is kick the buck to the next election because the underlying issues within the democratic party would’ve remained. Nothing actually gets better until the DNC gets better. And if the DNC doesn’t get any better tear the entire electoral system down and get real parties who would represent the people.
I don’t think there would ever come a time where people could voice their issues with the democratic party. Eventually the dems would’ve suffered such a catastrophic loss because they don’t listen to their voters and keep drifting to the right
Oh hey look it’s the opinion that for the last 2 years would get you nuked on votes getting only upvoted now!
Been yelling this since Joe “only running now to stop Trump” didn’t fucking prop anyone up during his term to run, fucking obvious they dont care because they know the other side is fascism and thought that was enough because they’re out-of-touch rich cunts
We should appreciate learning from mistakes. But we must also ask ourselves how the talking points of the loosing corporate strategy were hammered down and made to be picked up.
People always love to talk about how the far right is ripe with Russian and other foreign and corporate influence. But we need to acknowledge that the same problems hold true for the center and left. Maybe it is less foreign influence but certainly more corporate influence.
Eventually the dems would’ve suffered such a catastrophic loss because they don’t listen to their voters and keep drifting to the right.
Except that Dems stopped “drifting to the right” 20 years ago. The are merely drifting left too slowly. Biden was the most progressive president since LBJ 60 years ago.
But even if Harris had won all it would’ve done is
It would have resulted in tax increases on billionaires and corporations, which is the critical battleground of wealth inequality,. Would a more progressive candidate done this better? Yes. But stop pretending this is nothing. Taxes are 90% of the ballgame.
Nothing actually gets better until the DNC gets better
You do know that the DNC is not a person right? It’s not a static monolithic entity either. Tulsi Gabbert used to be in the DNC executive committee. The delegates elected by the primary voters control the DNC and will always control the DNC which changes membership constantly. So the only way to change that is through primary election choices. To change things people need to understand how things actually work now.
Don’t get me wrong, I get blaming the voters because this was not the election to take a stand. I used to tell people to suck it up, vote for Harris and then hammer your complaints until the DNC gets the point. However, looking at how the DNC has responded to their loss I don’t think there would ever come a time where people could voice their issues with the democratic party. Eventually the dems would’ve suffered such a catastrophic loss because they don’t listen to their voters and keep drifting to the right.
The voters don’t own an allegiance to the democratic party. The party is supposed to get the vote by actually representing the voters. That is not happening and ultimately that is not the fault of the voter, that fault lies solely with the party. They didn’t listen back in 2016 when they lost, they didn’t listen back in 2020 when they did win (people didn’t vote for Biden, they voted against Trump) and so far it seems they’re not going to listened this time as well. You can’t blame the voters when the dems are the ones not listening.
Yeah, the outcome sucks. Yes, America would’ve been better off if Harris had won. But even if Harris had won all it would’ve done is kick the buck to the next election because the underlying issues within the democratic party would’ve remained. Nothing actually gets better until the DNC gets better. And if the DNC doesn’t get any better tear the entire electoral system down and get real parties who would represent the people.
Oh hey look it’s the opinion that for the last 2 years would get you nuked on votes getting only upvoted now!
Been yelling this since Joe “only running now to stop Trump” didn’t fucking prop anyone up during his term to run, fucking obvious they dont care because they know the other side is fascism and thought that was enough because they’re out-of-touch rich cunts
We should appreciate learning from mistakes. But we must also ask ourselves how the talking points of the loosing corporate strategy were hammered down and made to be picked up.
People always love to talk about how the far right is ripe with Russian and other foreign and corporate influence. But we need to acknowledge that the same problems hold true for the center and left. Maybe it is less foreign influence but certainly more corporate influence.
I can be mad at both.
Democrats could have tried to improve the lot of the working classes.
People could have voted not to throw their neighbors to the wolves.
Except that Dems stopped “drifting to the right” 20 years ago. The are merely drifting left too slowly. Biden was the most progressive president since LBJ 60 years ago.
It would have resulted in tax increases on billionaires and corporations, which is the critical battleground of wealth inequality,. Would a more progressive candidate done this better? Yes. But stop pretending this is nothing. Taxes are 90% of the ballgame.
You do know that the DNC is not a person right? It’s not a static monolithic entity either. Tulsi Gabbert used to be in the DNC executive committee. The delegates elected by the primary voters control the DNC and will always control the DNC which changes membership constantly. So the only way to change that is through primary election choices. To change things people need to understand how things actually work now.