• TaTTe@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    “Your body - your choice” refers to the basic human right that you’re your own master and no one else can own/control you.

    It’s especially used in the discussion about whether abortion should be legal or not, where it refers to the fact that the fetus in a pregnant person is indeed part of that person, and they are allowed to do what they want with their own body (e.g. abortion).

    The post mentions the opposite, “your body, our choice” which refers to the anti-abortion movement where people, often due to religious reasons, think they should have control over a pregnant person’s body, rather than the pregnant person themself.

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      7 days ago

      Pretty sure it has nothing to do with a “pregnant person” and is just a straight-up open rape threat.

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      I hate american christian fundamentalist like any sane person, but you have to admit that the fetus is not entirely part of woman’s body - it’s on its way to become its own “thing”… And the longer it grows, more “own” it is. With different DNA etc. While I vehemently refuse anyone dictating these kind of things to anyone else - thaťs just forcing their will upon someone, in one of the most important questions - I found this “my body” view the weakest part of the defense.

    • Smorty [she/her]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      God will smite you if you kill his children I guess.

      The fact that religion has such an impact on society still is crazy. Having a belief is nice and can be comforting, but putting restrictions on others which makes their life objectively worse, damn that’s shiddy

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        And if you combine that with the love for the 2nd amendment, and indifference to school shootings it gets even crazier.

        If they were consistent pro life they would:

        • Be against abortion (except for medical emergency)
        • Be pro sex-ed and contraceptives, to avoid unwanted pregnancies.
        • Be for gun control, to avoid people getting killed.
        • Be for different social support systems (food/housing/health/education/etc.)
        • And so on.

        But they ended up with supply side jesus instead…

      • theneverfox@pawb.social
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        6 days ago

        The problem is the same as the problem everywhere - big is bad

        Organizations with too much power fuck up everything. I love the Bible - I’ve taken more from that book than any other. The old testament was a story of how my people fuck up constantly, but someone wise and in harmony with existence shows up and they listen. Then the heroes wander off into the wilderness, or they get a big head and become the seed of the next fuck up

        Jesus is my biggest role model out of very few, because he sacrificed himself to die a hero before he could taint his message, very deliberately and to great effect. There’s nothing to criticize, because he learned the lesson. He was deliberate and effective… Nothing human and fallible was left, because for three years he lived his message and taught the third path, and then he either died or faked his death and fucked off to Asia

        Jesus was brilliant - as a bastard son of a craftsman he became an existential threat to Rome. He taught the third path, and his message was so effective they had to kill him, massacre his followers, and even then the empire only survived because Constantine slapped his name on a rebrand of the Roman religion. The legions of Rome were spreading his message, because it resonates with everyone

        He showed violence once - when people abused religion for profit. He still harmed no one, accepted everyone. When did he say abortion was wrong? I seem to remember a lot of forgiveness outside of that one incident. Across race, across profession, across physical state

        Almost like it was truly universal love.

        W.W.J.D. Probably accept everyone regardless of unsavory circumstance and reject money, like he did when he lived

        Religion is the problem, because the difference between religion and spirituality is only scale

        Read the Bible - I did it when I was 7 and had diarrhea. It’s worth reading. It’s not as long as it seems. I’m shocked at how few people read it cover to cover - I assumed it was normal for decades. At least know the enemy, right? Or better yet, take the wisdom within and build up a tolerance to the rest when it’s misquoted at you