Man, I wonder why
It’s very interesting that pro-Luigi posts are immediately and universally censored while pro-Jan. 6th posts are given a lot more leeway. Both were attacks on powerful members of the ruling class, but only one group of sympathizers is being completely shut down. It’s tempting to think that it’s because tech billionaires have a right-wing bias, but I actually think it’s worse than that. I think it’s because the January 6th riots represented a partisan divide, while Luigi’s (alleged) actions have received bipartisan sympathy. Apparently, violence and terrorism are acceptable unless they lead to class solidarity.
You mean it’s a challenge to censor and suppress popular sentiment? Maybe stop fucking trying
Can you even fucking imagine if this was about China? The liberal Reddit Lemmitors would be frothing at the mouth about The Great Evil. Meanwhile it’s just another boring article in the freest greatest nation in the world.
Why are they removing those posts? Luigi Mangione is innocent until proven guilty.
Let’s be real though. People are not sympathetic with Luigi because they believe he is innocent. They are sympathetic with him, because they believe he killed the mass murderer CEO Brian Thompson. If he is found innocent and another suspect is produced, Luigi would get sympathy for being wrongfully persecuted and the other suspect would get sympathy for killing the mass murderer CEO Brian Thompson.
Now the question is, why sympathy towards killing a mass murderer is seen as a problem, but being a mass murderer in the way Brian Thompson was is not only accepted, but for mainstream media apparently making him particularly deserving of empathy.
The answer is very obvious, but you won’t read it in any of the mainstream media outlets. Because the rich and powerful are fighting a class war against everyone else and the mainstream media is representing the class interests of the rich and powerful, even as the middle class income article writer has his family murdered by the very same people who he tries to invoke empathy for.
The problem with Luigi is not that people are sympathetic towards violence. If the violence is racist or bigoted, if dozens of school children are murdered this is fine. It is not threatening the power of the ruling class. But people realizing that the power of the ruling class is not based on merit, but on brutality, deception and scrupulousness and can easily be toppled by an organized population, that is a gigantic threat.
And that is why the very same people that would demand for precision in talking about suspects of corruption or rich and famous criminals to always be considered innocent until proven guilty, will quickly toss this principle aside in cases like Luigis.
Hi! I’m one of those people who has sympathy for Luigi because he did it. I think the deaths of CEOs like Thompson, billionaires, etc are necessary to create any sort of systemic change that will alleviate the suffering of the working class. It’s not because he’s hot like mainstream news seems to think, but because I’m tired of being the punching bag of the rich in this class war that we’ve all been thrust into, and because Luigi fought back.
It’s also interesting that the news is saying Luigi is hot and that’s why people support him, when it’s more the other way around and people find him hot because he shot Thompson.
its only challenging to moderate because corporate media is struggling to silence the majority without making it look like they are silencing the majority and provoking outrage towards them and their CEOs.
Let’s keep posting about Brian Thompson, and every other billionaire, being a mass murderer. That’s all the billionaire class is. Criminals, grifters, less than human murderers protected by the ruling class. US “democracy” working as intended.
Why moderate?
The working class is under no obligation to mourn the deaths of those who are actively trying to kill them for profit.
There’s a difference between not mourning a piece of shit and asking for the murder of his peers. The hypocrisy of oligarch-run media (social and traditional) is that they stop having an issue with murder if there’s an Excel spreadsheet between the instigator and the victim.
Because this instance (and all other instances) physically reside in countries with content laws. If we don’t follow those laws, we can be shut down, and the admin/owners that reside in those countries could face legal consequences.
Yeah, it’s a pity that the laws appear to be protecting those the best, who are responsible for the most suffering - after all those have the power to get those laws written.
But that’s the thing: there’s a difference between ‘legal’ and ‘legitimate/true’ behaviour.
While I understand that lemmy instances (et al) have to adhere to legal behaviour, I hope that people adhere to legitimate/true behaviour.Most people don’t just randomly stumble into legitimate/true behavior. We’re apes, we see something and then do. If it all gets moderated away, the chance for legitimate/true behavior drops dramatically.
I very much hope that action is the outcome of thorough consideration, although oftentimes I have doubts about that.
And still I think we have more up our sleeves than ‘monkey see, monkey do’ schemes.Don’t forget that capitalism is what you get when you don’t regulate behavior.
Humans are shitty animals.
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Nope. I remove comments that say “this guy needs the Luigi treatment” or things to that effect.
The guy is innocent until proven guilty. Using his name as a drop in for “kill someone” is advocating violence/murder.
pre-trial imprisonment is a legal process, as is imprisonment post conviction (if that is the case), therefore people opinioning that someone should face consequences for a crime they committed (again, if that is the case) breaks no rules.
Also, people opinioning if a person is innocent or guilty is not against any rules. It’s not misinformation, as it’s an opinion.
Furthermore, your very flimsy argument that “it’s a violent act” carries no weight. While you are correct that the U.S. correctional institution needs…correction, if you don’t have a valid alternative that can be implemented now, you’re just pissing in the wind.
Okay, so advocating for violence is perfectly allowed if the violence is legal.
Is it allowed to say that gay Saudi Arabians should be put to death? That is the law in Saudi Arabia. It’s a legal form of violence, state sponsored and everything.
If an American cop kills someone and gets acquitted, is it legal to say their victim deserved to die and the cops should kill more people the same legal way?
Is it allowed to say that North Koreans who criticise Kim Jong Un deserve to be imprisoned?
is there a point to this?
My original comment was that we have to moderate to keep the site from being taken down. All these arguments change nothing.
It feels like an attack, but I’ll leave that to others to decide.
Sounds like they just want clarification on what is/is not okay. I had similar questions. It’s not related to the Luigi situation but is saying someone should be executed by the state advocating violence? I was banned from reddit because of inconsistent moderation on that topic.
Sadly, moderation is done by humans, and each person has their own way of moderating. This is why I generally don’t interact in communities I moderate - helps me distance myself from the content I get reports for. I try to look at the rules, and treat them as a “living document” - one that lists the guidelines, but with the understanding it’s the spirit, not the letter that matters at times.
I’ve been moderating this community for a year, and I’ll admit - it’s hard. Moderate too much, and I’m a tyrant. Moderate too little, and “you let every Nazi say what they want here”.
I’m still working on a balance that works best.
This community loooooves the
ToCToS lolEdit: I naver cuold speel gud
This community loooooves the ToC lol
Table of Contents?
Total organic carbon?
Tactical operations centre?
Theory of Constraints?
Transition of Care?
Tests of Control?… you’re gonna have to be a bit more clear.
Damnit ToS
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They meant “sensor”.
You meant “censor”
You meant “silencer”.
Pew Pew.
Apparently there was a subreddit too but daddy corporate didn’t like that.
censorship, not moderation. and of course free speech only applies to enabling racism and such
I mean free speech actually only applies to government, not social media.
And it doesn’t always apply to governments. The Lemmy.world server is in The Netherlands. It’s illegal in The Netherlands to threaten violence. So posts threatening violence are deleted so that Lemmy.world can stick around.
This makes some people who feel like they should be allowed to say whatever they want, wherever they want angry at us moderators, but we like Lemmy.world and they don’t have to be here if they don’t want to. Unfortunately, some people have a massive sense of entitlement, as the ban evader in World News who told me that he shall not be censored found out the hard way this morning.
Sorry, your right to threaten to kill someone is less important to me than Lemmy.world sticking around. There are other Lemmy servers that might allow it, but this one doesn’t for legal reasons.
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The government claims a monopoly on violence and the violence of the government is supposed to be well regulated and democratically legitimated.
However this only works, if there is actual checks and balances and the question whether people are held accountable to their crimes does not depend on their income, net worth or connections.
You censor via moderation though right?
What they gon do? Fill jury with ceos?
I’ll tell you what, I’ll advocate right now for nonviolence. I really like that luigi didn’t kill any of the general public, regardless of anything else he may or may not have done. It’s really important to remember in this day and age to not cause widespread suffering to a large number of everyday people who are just going about their normal daily lives.
It’s really important to remember in this day and age to not cause widespread suffering to a large number of everyday people who are just going about their normal daily lives.
Someone needs to tell the CEOs.
I agree with you, but I am very worried that any possible copycats might be less discerning. Especially if CEOs start hiring security forces and there are either gun battles or bombings where people get caught in the crossfire.
Not every person with the same agenda as Luigi Mangione’s will be as careful to only hit their target.
I see having a reasonable take on this is also giving you downvotes. I think the pro Luigi group has a problematic subgroup that wants to murder anyone.
If it were up to me, I’d start figuring out a way to separate that subgroup out. Otherwise you’re going to end up with someone randomly murdering and painting the whole thing as just murderers with no ideological point. That will kill whatever good work this is done.
And yet some people are already trying to paint this act of self defence as a murder, and citing as evidence collateral damage that hasn’t even happened yet and may never happen. It’s a slippery slope fallacy. We have laws. Luigi is innocent and we can’t punish Luigi just because somebody might copy what he allegedly did badly and cause collateral.
Self defense? Are you implying the CEO was going harm Luigi directly? Or eventually though healthcare denial?
And that the murder he (allegedly) committed did in some way save him.
ere are either gun battles or bombings where people get caught in the crossfire.
On the upside, president has been set, even perceived attempts might sway for better decisions.
I do not think innocent people being killed because of their proximity to a CEO has an upside.
I do not think innocent people being killed
I’m not saying anyone needs to be truly violent. Even perceived attempts would have momentum. Milkshakes might be enough now that they know it can escalate.
This is actually a good point. It seems like, these days, most public violence like this, ends up with a senseless killing spree, and dead bystanders.
It’s a very important lesson for CEOs…heck, for everybody to learn.
I am okay with it being there.
The behaviors of some CEOs are making it easy. Oops! Did I victim-blame?
Only thing that needs moderation is the parasites paycheques…
