I’m not sure the incessant chorus of 'I told you so’s is really helping the cause.
Personally, I’m watching the dumpster fire from up on your hat, without any option to participate in your elections either way, but it’s still getting pretty grating. Surely, there’s a better strategy.
I’m not sure the incessant chorus of 'I told you so’s is really helping the cause.
I’ve heard so much MSNBC bigotry in the last month.
“Palestinians cost us the election!”
“Trans people cost us the election!”
“Hispanics cost us the election!”
“Everyone under 40 cost us the election!”
This is typically followed by some sickeningly smug “I hope they enjoy what they get” from the most vile and repulsive insider slime the party has to offer. And now Dem Leadership is just throwing up its hands, insisting Trump’s just a dictator now and there’s nothing any of them can do.
Hell, the fucking CIA - the agency that exists to topple foreign governments - seems equally indolent and feckless. So, idk. Maybe saying “I told you so” isn’t impacting the cause one way or another.
What the fuck are we supposed to say? We spent a year and a half doing everything in our power to show the dems what they need to do to have a chance to win, they chose genocide instead.
Too late to say anything now that you’ve helped elect the orange felon. Too bad you couldn’t stfu before and steered a significant amount of people to vote for the cunt as a protest vote. Enjoy the alternative.
I never see liberals say this shit to Obama or Clinton, despite Barry and Hildawg being the two most invigorating force behind the 2016 Trump climb to the top of the GOP Primary. I don’t see them flinging it at the Starmer campaign staff, who popped across the pond to neatly derail Harris’s poll climb with their shitty advice. I certainly don’t see any mention of the DNC, the Dem donor class, or anyone who actually ran for office taking blame.
But hey, maybe cuddle up closer to your friends the Cheneys next election cycle. Maybe they’ve got the secret sauce that wins elections.
Did you think that maybe uniting behind an evil candidate as your collective sole effort to defeat Trump was a bad plan?
You all say, “if only you all did what we did, we would have won.” That’s true in reverse - if you had all only done what we did, we would have won. And we wouldn’t have had a war criminal in office either.
Why is the Democrat the default vote? How is it compatible with democracy at all, that the one thing we actually control as a people, the vote, isn’t even based on who’s the best candidate?
In my mind, this is very simple, we have a basic responsibility as a people to exercise FULL control over who’s in office, to secure the outcomes we want. And we’re failing to do that. We don’t go through the process of figuring out who out of every candidate is best. The TV tells us which of two candidates to pick, and we pick one of those two. That eliminates all democratic checks on the government.
Hey you can elect this person that’ll slap you or this person that’ll stab you in the face.
Oh well the slapping is so bad we should just not choose either and give the win to face stabby candidate. That’s the dumbass “logic” that got us here.
I mean, I fully expect it was also mostly a foreign psyop to steer votes toward Trump or at least generate apathy and keep votes from going to Kamala (same outcome more or less). Mostly because it’s such a dumb premise of why you wouldn’t vote for Harris and just sit out the election. So I can’t imagine it was truly widespread and I think that’s also why it’s crickets now that the election is over and Russia’s orange gremlin candidate for president of the USA won.
Why the fuck would we, AS A POPULATION, choose anything but the best option.
The population voting for C gets you…what? Let’s think about this. Is it…C? Hmm, yes, it is.
Notice how I made a point to phrase it that way, to preempt comments like yours entirely? And then you went and posted that anyway, either because you didn’t read my comment, or just felt like ignoring the point I was actually making?
You people INSIST we only ever look at it in terms of, “49.999 are voting Trump, 49.999 are voting Harris, your vote decides the election!” The pre-narrowed, individual choice. But that’s not how the game theory applies here. The game in this case is that there’s ~210M people with the ability to vote for anyone. There is no pre-narrowing. Their collective decision results in the electoral outcome. Your application of game theory here is literally incorrect.
By your logic, choices A through Z all have equal odds of winning.
They don’t.
I can go into a full explanation about how you’re wrong and you are also to blame for this happening, but I won’t cause were so far past the tipping point there no reason to explain it to you anymore. Just know most everyone here knows you’re either ignorant or dumb. The rest of us know you’re both
The odds of winning, for the candidate that secures a majority of EC votes, is exactly 100% (so long as that process is followed). The determining factor of that is the voting decisions of the population. That is not a function you can describe only in probabilistic terms. By all means, let’s hear your broken explanation filled with omissions and logical errors.
There are no wildflowers on the road to hell, but it is paved with good intentions.
C is right there only if you’re naive enougn to believe it.
Most people don’t want war. Yet they will go to war, each side convinced in their own self-righteousness. That is the human condition. Picking wildflowers isn’t going to stop the Nazi boot or anything else for that matter. Another way to think about it - Charlie Chaplin’s messages in the 1930s were great, full of hope, and reached a lot of people. But that was nowhere near what was needed. Tens of millions had to die. It’s not gonna be any different this time around, Chaplin or no Chaplin.
It’s not the “human condition”. All of these things are products of cultural practices and belief systems. Not all societies wage war. Not all societies put mass murderers in control. You cannot be so careless with your logic and hope to ever arrive at a correct conclusion.
And we (informed voters) spent a year and a half painting you a very detailed picture of what was going to happen if you didn’t suck it up and do what was necessary to keep a rapist traitor out of the White House. Hell… even HE spent a year and a half telling you exactly what he was going to do.
Remember Project 2025? Yeah… that is the actual name of what’s happening right now.
Sooo……
What the fuck are we supposed to say?
Start with: “I’m sorry” and work from there. Because anything short of this is unacceptable.
spent a year and a half painting you a very detailed picture of what was going to happen if you didn’t suck it up and do what was necessary to keep a rapist traitor out of the White House
Dems made it crystal clear that they were going to roll over to Republicans, whether nor not they won. Absolutely nothing in the last month has lent weight to the contrary.
To be honest, of all the posts I’ve seen of the shit Trump is pulling, all I’ve seen is comments complaining of the Democrats who didn’t vote. The actual story in the post…crickets. It’s unnerving when you want to actually see comments about the subject of the post and all the comments are “wwuuaahhh, you didn’t vote for Harris it’s all your fault” against people who aren’t even reading the goddamn posts. I’m sick of it!
Like…I hear you guys. I don’t fully agree but I hear you. But for fuck sakes, let it go, lets talk about the actual post instead of going on and on about the perceived injustice the Democrats have suffefed. Right or wrong, it’s done! Let it go!
So wtf are you doing on here then? Your entire premise is so sad, months after one failed victory and you’re demanding random strangers say they’re “sorry” to you? Were you Kamala’s campaign manager or something? Because the vibes fit right in.
You spent a year telling people what to do, congrats. Do you think the progressive movement just started? Do you think this is the first set-back the world has succumbed to?
It’s kinda obvious that comments like yours reveal it’s just some sort of sports game to you. You spent one singular year talking progressively, so now it’s not as important to you but will post several comments saying how important it is for others on your team to bow down to your superiority… because you spent a singular year talking progressively… whoopdee fucking doo.
The only thing that would have kept Trump out of the whitehouse was for the democrats to stop facilitating genocide.
You blue MAGA are the ones who helped them maintain the delusion they could have both their genocide and win. You helped them maintain the delusion they could have won with Biden until 5 months before the election.
The sad truth is that turning on Israel would have done more damage to the democrats electorally than it would’ve helped. Not saying it’s good, just sayings it’s true, and waving Gaza around as “the reason” Harris lost is kind of disingenuous and misses the bigger picture
Right up front, I voted for the ‘lesser evil’ in a swing state, so stow those comments about me enabling fascism.
The sad truth is that turning on Israel would have done more damage to the democrats electorally than it would’ve helped
I mean, you can keep saying that. But it’s not even true among Jewish voters, let alone the larger electorate.
I’m really starting to suspect these kind of comments are morality laundering after spending months backing an immoral stance held by a feckless executive who refused to see past his moral blind spot.
Online commentators refused to seriously entertain criticism of Joe as anything but bad faith - so the message became “we’re okay with it” never “I don’t want this or Trump, do better Joe”
Yes, the bigger picture is that as soon as Harris got the nomination, she ran back to the cold, dead embrace of the Biden campaign, and supported every single policy that made Biden so unpopular. No muslim spoke at the DNC, but they had cops, CPB, and republicans speaking for the party.
Her words when asked what the difference between a Biden and Harris admin would be was “Well I would appoint a republican to my cabinet”.
Harris could have been a great candidate. The flaw was that she promised more of the same. She would have trounced Trump if she became the candidate we all hoped she would be in the weeks after she announced and appointed Tim Walz VP.
This isn’t a messaging issue. Biden’s greatest flaw wasn’t that he was old, it was that he didn’t fight for the things people elected him to fight for, and instead compromised with republicans, ended covid protections, built more of Turmps wall, deported more immigrants, sent more weapons to Israel, and did fuckall to protect women’s rights.
The sad truth is that turning on Israel would have done more damage to the democrats electorally than it would’ve helped.
“Our country just wants genocide too much” is quite the take.
I love this logic because it doesn’t even matter how bad the position is - we could be arguing against sending immigrants to gas chambers and you could still say “sorry, they can’t run against that because they’d lose more votes than they’d gain”. Nevermind the fact that they helped to create the political reality that they are now claiming to be helpless against. They spent the last 80 years making Israel into the centerpiece of middle eastern foreign policy and now they can’t speak out against an ongoing genocide because they might lose their control and influence in the region.
Even better - some of the same people saying ‘gaza isn’t the reason we lost’ are also saying ‘we lost because we’re too woke’ - it shows just how much contempt the democrats have for their base that they dismiss the problem being with their genocidal foreign policy and instead blame their loss on being too friendly toward minorities.
You don’t even need to take the moral stand to tell democrats to do the moral thing when the moral thing is also the only shot they had at winning.
Your stance is morally repugnant, but more importantly, ineffective. We told the democrats they would lose if they did genocide. You told the democrats they could win while doing genocide. Look at what happened.
God imagine if there was a Blue MAGA, a cult that was just as die-hard about protecting transpeople, labor rights, and all that as Red MAGA was with destroying them.
You learned nothing in 2016, you learned nothing in 2020, and you learned nothing in 2024. Can’t wait to see you insisting that the democrats can win while running on compromise, building the wall, deporting every immigrant, getting tough on crime, banning trans people from public life, and continuing whatever war Trump starts in 2028.
Meanwhile 🦗🦗🦗🦗 from the genocide Joe caucus.
Do you not think Biden was instrumental in setting this up?
I’m not sure the incessant chorus of 'I told you so’s is really helping the cause.
Personally, I’m watching the dumpster fire from up on your hat, without any option to participate in your elections either way, but it’s still getting pretty grating. Surely, there’s a better strategy.
I’ve heard so much MSNBC bigotry in the last month.
“Palestinians cost us the election!”
“Trans people cost us the election!”
“Hispanics cost us the election!”
“Everyone under 40 cost us the election!”
This is typically followed by some sickeningly smug “I hope they enjoy what they get” from the most vile and repulsive insider slime the party has to offer. And now Dem Leadership is just throwing up its hands, insisting Trump’s just a dictator now and there’s nothing any of them can do.
Hell, the fucking CIA - the agency that exists to topple foreign governments - seems equally indolent and feckless. So, idk. Maybe saying “I told you so” isn’t impacting the cause one way or another.
What the fuck are we supposed to say? We spent a year and a half doing everything in our power to show the dems what they need to do to have a chance to win, they chose genocide instead.
Too late to say anything now that you’ve helped elect the orange felon. Too bad you couldn’t stfu before and steered a significant amount of people to vote for the cunt as a protest vote. Enjoy the alternative.
I never see liberals say this shit to Obama or Clinton, despite Barry and Hildawg being the two most invigorating force behind the 2016 Trump climb to the top of the GOP Primary. I don’t see them flinging it at the Starmer campaign staff, who popped across the pond to neatly derail Harris’s poll climb with their shitty advice. I certainly don’t see any mention of the DNC, the Dem donor class, or anyone who actually ran for office taking blame.
But hey, maybe cuddle up closer to your friends the Cheneys next election cycle. Maybe they’ve got the secret sauce that wins elections.
Did you think that maybe uniting behind an evil candidate as your collective sole effort to defeat Trump was a bad plan?
You all say, “if only you all did what we did, we would have won.” That’s true in reverse - if you had all only done what we did, we would have won. And we wouldn’t have had a war criminal in office either.
Why is the Democrat the default vote? How is it compatible with democracy at all, that the one thing we actually control as a people, the vote, isn’t even based on who’s the best candidate?
In my mind, this is very simple, we have a basic responsibility as a people to exercise FULL control over who’s in office, to secure the outcomes we want. And we’re failing to do that. We don’t go through the process of figuring out who out of every candidate is best. The TV tells us which of two candidates to pick, and we pick one of those two. That eliminates all democratic checks on the government.
Hey you can elect this person that’ll slap you or this person that’ll stab you in the face.
Oh well the slapping is so bad we should just not choose either and give the win to face stabby candidate. That’s the dumbass “logic” that got us here.
I mean, I fully expect it was also mostly a foreign psyop to steer votes toward Trump or at least generate apathy and keep votes from going to Kamala (same outcome more or less). Mostly because it’s such a dumb premise of why you wouldn’t vote for Harris and just sit out the election. So I can’t imagine it was truly widespread and I think that’s also why it’s crickets now that the election is over and Russia’s orange gremlin candidate for president of the USA won.
The actual choice:
A) Stabs you in the heart
B) Stabs you in the lung
C) No stabbing, picks wildflowers for you
And you guys go, “C isn’t viable! At least you’re less likely to die if you get stabbed in the lung - you have an entire hour to get to the hospital!”
Bro, C is right there. Was there the whole time. Why the fuck would we, AS A POPULATION, choose anything but the best option.
No, C is not “right there” when our electoral politics work the way they do. That’s a huge strawman argument.
The reality is there were two choices, one clearly better for Palestinians.
A strawman argument is when they misrepresent something you’re saying, not when you think they’re wrong about how electoral politics work.
Yes, they took my argument and created a false third choice that was never part of the argument. Then said to choose that.
That’s misrepresenting what I said to have that third choice.
Regardless we’re getting very pedantic here and I’m not really disagreeing with you if that matters to you.
“Work the way they do”. Oh, OK. If that’s not how electoral politics work!
C got you trump you utter doughnut.
Game theory has consequences.
Did you see this part of my comment?
The population voting for C gets you…what? Let’s think about this. Is it…C? Hmm, yes, it is.
Notice how I made a point to phrase it that way, to preempt comments like yours entirely? And then you went and posted that anyway, either because you didn’t read my comment, or just felt like ignoring the point I was actually making?
You people INSIST we only ever look at it in terms of, “49.999 are voting Trump, 49.999 are voting Harris, your vote decides the election!” The pre-narrowed, individual choice. But that’s not how the game theory applies here. The game in this case is that there’s ~210M people with the ability to vote for anyone. There is no pre-narrowing. Their collective decision results in the electoral outcome. Your application of game theory here is literally incorrect.
You need to stop believing you know anything about game theory because the Dunning-Kruger klaxon is going off and you can’t seem to hear it.
People are not a hive mind.
By your logic, choices A through Z all have equal odds of winning.
They don’t.
I can go into a full explanation about how you’re wrong and you are also to blame for this happening, but I won’t cause were so far past the tipping point there no reason to explain it to you anymore. Just know most everyone here knows you’re either ignorant or dumb. The rest of us know you’re both
The odds of winning, for the candidate that secures a majority of EC votes, is exactly 100% (so long as that process is followed). The determining factor of that is the voting decisions of the population. That is not a function you can describe only in probabilistic terms. By all means, let’s hear your broken explanation filled with omissions and logical errors.
No, I don’t care nor are you important enough to do that. I just want to reiterate that you’re dumb
There are no wildflowers on the road to hell, but it is paved with good intentions.
C is right there only if you’re naive enougn to believe it.
Most people don’t want war. Yet they will go to war, each side convinced in their own self-righteousness. That is the human condition. Picking wildflowers isn’t going to stop the Nazi boot or anything else for that matter. Another way to think about it - Charlie Chaplin’s messages in the 1930s were great, full of hope, and reached a lot of people. But that was nowhere near what was needed. Tens of millions had to die. It’s not gonna be any different this time around, Chaplin or no Chaplin.
It’s not the “human condition”. All of these things are products of cultural practices and belief systems. Not all societies wage war. Not all societies put mass murderers in control. You cannot be so careless with your logic and hope to ever arrive at a correct conclusion.
And we (informed voters) spent a year and a half painting you a very detailed picture of what was going to happen if you didn’t suck it up and do what was necessary to keep a rapist traitor out of the White House. Hell… even HE spent a year and a half telling you exactly what he was going to do.
Remember Project 2025? Yeah… that is the actual name of what’s happening right now.
Sooo……
Start with: “I’m sorry” and work from there. Because anything short of this is unacceptable.
Oh, far more than a year and a half.
Joe Biden to rich donors: “Nothing would fundamentally change” if he’s elected
Dems made it crystal clear that they were going to roll over to Republicans, whether nor not they won. Absolutely nothing in the last month has lent weight to the contrary.
To be honest, of all the posts I’ve seen of the shit Trump is pulling, all I’ve seen is comments complaining of the Democrats who didn’t vote. The actual story in the post…crickets. It’s unnerving when you want to actually see comments about the subject of the post and all the comments are “wwuuaahhh, you didn’t vote for Harris it’s all your fault” against people who aren’t even reading the goddamn posts. I’m sick of it!
Like…I hear you guys. I don’t fully agree but I hear you. But for fuck sakes, let it go, lets talk about the actual post instead of going on and on about the perceived injustice the Democrats have suffefed. Right or wrong, it’s done! Let it go!
Did you think that maybe it’s because we all already knew about all of this shit? So it’s not as important for us to spend time discussing it because…
WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST YEAR.
So wtf are you doing on here then? Your entire premise is so sad, months after one failed victory and you’re demanding random strangers say they’re “sorry” to you? Were you Kamala’s campaign manager or something? Because the vibes fit right in.
You spent a year telling people what to do, congrats. Do you think the progressive movement just started? Do you think this is the first set-back the world has succumbed to?
It’s kinda obvious that comments like yours reveal it’s just some sort of sports game to you. You spent one singular year talking progressively, so now it’s not as important to you but will post several comments saying how important it is for others on your team to bow down to your superiority… because you spent a singular year talking progressively… whoopdee fucking doo.
The only thing that would have kept Trump out of the whitehouse was for the democrats to stop facilitating genocide.
You blue MAGA are the ones who helped them maintain the delusion they could have both their genocide and win. You helped them maintain the delusion they could have won with Biden until 5 months before the election.
The sad truth is that turning on Israel would have done more damage to the democrats electorally than it would’ve helped. Not saying it’s good, just sayings it’s true, and waving Gaza around as “the reason” Harris lost is kind of disingenuous and misses the bigger picture
Right up front, I voted for the ‘lesser evil’ in a swing state, so stow those comments about me enabling fascism.
I mean, you can keep saying that. But it’s not even true among Jewish voters, let alone the larger electorate.
I’m really starting to suspect these kind of comments are morality laundering after spending months backing an immoral stance held by a feckless executive who refused to see past his moral blind spot.
Yes, the bigger picture is that as soon as Harris got the nomination, she ran back to the cold, dead embrace of the Biden campaign, and supported every single policy that made Biden so unpopular. No muslim spoke at the DNC, but they had cops, CPB, and republicans speaking for the party.
Her words when asked what the difference between a Biden and Harris admin would be was “Well I would appoint a republican to my cabinet”.
Yes, the bigger picture is that Harris was a bad candidate for a litany of reasons.
Harris could have been a great candidate. The flaw was that she promised more of the same. She would have trounced Trump if she became the candidate we all hoped she would be in the weeks after she announced and appointed Tim Walz VP.
This isn’t a messaging issue. Biden’s greatest flaw wasn’t that he was old, it was that he didn’t fight for the things people elected him to fight for, and instead compromised with republicans, ended covid protections, built more of Turmps wall, deported more immigrants, sent more weapons to Israel, and did fuckall to protect women’s rights.
“Our country just wants genocide too much” is quite the take.
I love this logic because it doesn’t even matter how bad the position is - we could be arguing against sending immigrants to gas chambers and you could still say “sorry, they can’t run against that because they’d lose more votes than they’d gain”. Nevermind the fact that they helped to create the political reality that they are now claiming to be helpless against. They spent the last 80 years making Israel into the centerpiece of middle eastern foreign policy and now they can’t speak out against an ongoing genocide because they might lose their control and influence in the region.
Even better - some of the same people saying ‘gaza isn’t the reason we lost’ are also saying ‘we lost because we’re too woke’ - it shows just how much contempt the democrats have for their base that they dismiss the problem being with their genocidal foreign policy and instead blame their loss on being too friendly toward minorities.
LMAO your moral stand is going to literally get people murdered.
How does that feel? I think it’d feel bad.
You don’t even need to take the moral stand to tell democrats to do the moral thing when the moral thing is also the only shot they had at winning.
Your stance is morally repugnant, but more importantly, ineffective. We told the democrats they would lose if they did genocide. You told the democrats they could win while doing genocide. Look at what happened.
Lmao, are you making a moral argument against acting according to morals?
bLuE mAgA!
It’s good to see you leaning into what your entitlement has won for you. Glad you can own it so transparently.
People are going to suffer but at least it’s not the democrats brand of genocide, right?
God imagine if there was a Blue MAGA, a cult that was just as die-hard about protecting transpeople, labor rights, and all that as Red MAGA was with destroying them.
Frankly I think that’s the answer - lie to the retards better than the real MAGA - but Democrats won’t do that…
I cannot imagine a cult stronger than one supporting genocide.
You learned nothing in 2016, you learned nothing in 2020, and you learned nothing in 2024. Can’t wait to see you insisting that the democrats can win while running on compromise, building the wall, deporting every immigrant, getting tough on crime, banning trans people from public life, and continuing whatever war Trump starts in 2028.
That still doesn’t sound like “I’m sorry.”
🤡
Work within the constraints of the first past the post voting system you have while working toward ranked choice or something more functional.
Congratulations, you enabled the real genocide. I hope you’re proud of yourself.
Joe offered me Vanilla Ice Cream, but I prefer Strawberry, so to spite Joe I took Donald’s offer to let him piss in my mouth…
You were warned what Trump wanted to do, and now he’s turning Palestine into a Trump Resort