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    This is empirically untrue, but also just nonsense. Politicians do not have the same class relationship as capitalists with the proletariat.

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      1 year ago

      Oh I’m sorry i didn’t realize there was empirical evidence for socialism. Please send me a link to some of these successful socialist societies.

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        I'm not a socialist by any means (well, I have been called one by republicans…) but I've always hated this argument. The USSR and China are the only two I'm aware of that weren't massively screwed over in their infancy by the US, and/or (usually and) manipulated by the USSR.

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          Then you shouldn’t go around saying it’s “empirically true” because at best there is no evidence.

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          The USSR was literally invaded in its infancy by France Britain and the US. Trust me the USSR was getting fucked with by bourgeois dictatorships since the beginning.

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        Cuba, Vietnam, and Laos for starters China went from a century of humiliation to a superpower in less then a century thanks to socialism. The USSR was better than the feudalism before it or the dictatorships of the bourgeoisie that came after it by a wide margin. For a place much poorer than the US, they had similar nutrition, better education, more rights for women both legalistically and practically.

        Oh, throw in east Germany too. Do you know what the Stasi did to the lgbt movement that they saw as subversive? Destroy it by ending discrimination against gay and trans people, including a massive education campaign to eradicate homophobia and transphobia and state funded gay bars. Compare that to how the US was treating gay people at the time.

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      Dang, for a moment I considered that you might have independent thoughts. This LemmtGradChatGPT BS ruined it.

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        Yes, yes. It is cool and subversive to support capitalism, or at least oppose its alternatives.(aka support capitalism) You're part of the cool club of people who act in the interests of the bourgeoisie and not of your own class. A real independent thinker.

        (Not that any of us are independent thinkers, but one of us is defending the powers that be and calling the other a chatbot)

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          You have no idea what systems I support, yet you assume I support capitalism because I didn't agree with you, which says a lot. The only evidence of my beliefs I have provided is that I do not support your approach. Further, I do not believe your rhetoric is a genuine attempt to make the world any better for anyone.

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            Oh, so you are an anticommunist "leftist" then?

            Edit: your post history seems to indicate you're a social democrat, which is just capitalism with a welfare state. Aka capitalism.

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              Fun with labels. Generalization is for the lazy.

              My deep, multi week long, post history? You must really know me.

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                It isnt generalization it is categorization. You come at things from a social democrat perspective very clearly based on a few comments talking about your politics.

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                  Your categorization is too general, and counterproductive. You’re apparent need to pigeon-hole strangers on the internet is sad.

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                    Okay, so what do you believe then? I am under the impression that you want the current system but with a welfare state- free Healthcare for example- which is social democracy. Do you want society to be organized a different way?