I know we pretty much all hated spez for all the shit he pulled, but a few weeks ago the tone towards reddit itself around here was more neutral. People liked it here on Lemmy a lot better, but people weren’t hating on the old place so much.
Recently I’m seeing this huuuuuuuge surge of just pure fucking hatred leveled at the site itself. Anyone else notice this or is it just me?
I mean, I was there because I thought it was alright. I hated spez for fucking it up and completely screwing his communities over. But I never hated reddit itself, and I still don’t. Otherwise I would’ve left a lot sooner.
Do you personally hate reddit? If so, why?
We’re moving through the stages of grief. Many of us seem to be on “anger”.
Ohhhhhhhhh… you might be right. That’s an interesting thought, thank you.
💯i was in strong anger last week.
That tends to happen when a site you frequent suddenly decides a portion of its users will have to visit with the worst experience possible or leave.
Additionally, false accusations and actions taking by Steve and Reddit admins only poked the wasp hive even more.
I think it also ties into a larger portion of people being fed up with corporate social media and corporations in general. All the ads, tracking, and shareholder profit driving decisions instead of what makes a product “good”.
I loved Reddit until I realized they were just going to do whatever they wanted and the community, apart from creating free content and work, didn’t matter. But the lying about discussions with the app creator was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Suddenly they weren’t just a bully, but they were a proven lying, dishonest bully. Everything that they say going forward will be suspect, so I decided to walk away. Who knows what they’re doing with my data/content. I know what they’re telling me. I don’t know what’s true.
I deleted most of my posts from my nearly 14-year history except for a handful that I think need to stay up and a couple of others that I’m testing something on. I log in every once in a while to leave any groups that might have unlocked since I was last there and delete those posts too.
I don’t hate them. But they’ve lost my trust, and I don’t see any way to regain it.
There could have been other, better solutions. The biggest problem right now is that the only tool in Steve Huffman’s toolbox is a hammer.
More like a bent tire iron he borrowed from Elon. A hammer would be quick and efficient at least, two things which he is not.
I loved Reddit, but after the API shenanigans and the doubling down I went sour… and then I read the latest TOS…
You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.
i.e. whatever you post WE own forever and we never have to credit you. It’s so horrifyingly immoral.
I bet they’re angling to sell data for AI training.
Didn’t they straight up say that at one point? And I don’t begrudge that: it makes sense. Potentially the next big wave of hotness is being trained on existing content like Reddit. They are potentially profiting off Reddit. It’s fair that Reddit should get a cut of that.
But there has to be a better way than to go through swinging a hammer side to side and not caring who you bludgeon
That’s a pretty standard TOS clause for any website that hosts user content these days.
Stack exchange is CC licensed, and they host a lot of user content.
I’ve not seen this “waive moral rights or attribution” in any other site. It’s not in Twitter’s, it’s not in Facebook, I don’t think it’s even legal in a lot of jurisdictions (moral rights cannot easily be contracted away).
I’m not sure what that’s even suppose to mean
The preserving of the integrity of the work allows the author to object to alteration, distortion, or mutilation of the work that is “prejudicial to the author’s honor or reputation”
i.e. under the new TOS Reddit can edit your post to say that you eat dead puppies
Which ones?
I remember being introduced to reddit years ago. It was still new and unknown, there was in-jokes and cringey bacon narwhal shit I don’t even quite remember. It was fun, it was cringe, it wasn’t doomscrolling it was genuine engagement and I really enjoyed it.
Then the longer I spent on it the more hostile it became. Almost every comment thread is full of contrarians looking to argue with you just to get more upvotes and
edit: omg thx 4 awards!!11!bullshit, bots “correcting” people’s spelling and telling you how many consonants are in reverse alphabetical order in your username omg so cute! it just became regular, boring old social media.Then the leadership bullshit kept just getting worse and worse and worse, every time you hear anything about what reddit (as a company) does it’s just more and more hostile to users. The API/app changes and the way it was handled was the last straw. Users don’t hate reddit, reddit hates it’s users, the company has shown nothing but contempt for the users and unpaid moderators for years and I’m just sick of it and that long term animosity coupled with the last set of changes? Yeah, fuck reddit.
I’ve never understood why people hate other people editing their posts with thank yous. What was the big problem with that?
The
edit: omg thank you for awards/upvotescomments just feel like such a self-congratulatory circlejerk, as if the point of the post was to “win” at reddit by getting the most points. The “meta” around reddit itself became less of a discussion and more a game to play to get the most points.To be clear, I don’t directly hate the “thank you” post edits, I dislike that they’re a symptom of the “meta” of reddit becoming less around the links it aggregates and more around itself, maybe?
I always interpreted it more as surprise than anything else. The vast majority of the content you make, over 99%, gets minimal reaction. So when something blows up, it’s very surprising and unusual. Shocking, even.
These people responding to that feeling in some way is natural.
Mine mostly comes from how they treated Christian, the developer of the Apollo app. Ridiculous.
Also remember their behavior towards Aaron Swartz
Reddit can’t be divorced from the leadership. If you hate the direction leadership is taking Reddit, how can you still like Reddit itself? What is it apart from that?
This argument makes more sense to me with Lemmy. Yes, if you hate the direction one instance admin is taking their Lemmy instance, it doesn’t make sense to hate Lemmy as a whole… but Reddit has only one “instance,” so if you hate the “admin,” you hate Reddit.
Yeah, I started picking up on this. I draw a clear distinction between people that make decisions, and the tools they use to bring those decisions to fruition. To me, reddit is an inanimate thing, and hating it is no different than hating a rock or tree. I do understand now that I am not necessarily normal in this, though.
Thanks for the response.
I hated it, I only just barely put up with the toxic community so I could still visit my favorite subs only (I used apollo so I could ignore the garbage that’d be recommended to us constantly). I used the app-pocalypse as an excuse to leave. Now I only lurk there for the ooh-la-la subs, but as more and more creators there have lately been moving to lemmynsfw I might not even need those subs for much longer.
Hello, Apollo user. Have you tried wefef.app?
Yes, it’s great. I’d also recommend Memmy since it shows downvotes and upvotes separately instead of net score (which lemmy does, idk about the other reddit-like federated sites) to discourage circlejerking
Having been there since the pre-Digg days, I simply hate what they’re doing with the place. It hurts to see something you’ve enjoyed and contributed to over the past 20 years become the antithesis of the free and open internet it once represented. Every change they made to the site since they tried to migrate off the old.reddit.com interface has been a negative one for the users. The sudden acceleration of those kind of changes has made the site both unreadable (content is beyond stale now) and worthless to participate in.
I think for me, this disappointment turned to real visceral antipathy when I saw this page - it looks like something the CCP would design for kindergartners. It’s not a place I want to be a part of at all, and I don’t want my past contributions to fuel it.
That is also very helpful, thank you. I can see that pissing people off.
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that they repeat the word “community” like every fourth word all the way through that insipid swill. It’s definitely not a pathetically transparent attempt to retroactively stake a claim on the term that lemmy - the Reddit to their Digg - uses for its subforums.
People on reddit have been referring to the people in their subs as a “community” forever. It’s definitely not that deep. They don’t even know or care what Lemmy names anything.
Like I said, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that they repeat the word “community” at least 30 times on that page.
Oh, and this bit too, that I just noticed when I was counting "commumity"s:
Communities are the lifeblood of the Internet. But on today’s Internet, they are not in charge of their own destiny. Instead, they are controlled by the large platforms that hold all the power online. It is time for a change.
Community Points are the first step towards a different future for online communities.
That’s definitely just a coincidence and has nothing at all to do with trying to compete against the fediverse, which they definitely don’t even pay any attention to.
Yup.
I just told you why they use the word community though? A community is a group of people in the same place. Subreddits have been referred to by the people in them as a community for years. People on Discord talk about their “community” on their servers. People on Xbox Live are a “community”.
It literally has nothing to do with Lemmy. Reddit aren’t threatened by Lemmy. Look how the protests went - they all flickered out and died with a whimper. Reddit is business as usual. Pretty much every sub is back to normal as if nothing ever happened because nothing basically did happen.
Pretty much every sub is not even close to back to normal. I still check in from time to time over there. It’s very noticeable that a particular segment of the popular subs is now completely gone.
The video game and shitpost subs. Those are unchanged. The rest is very different.
Pretty sure the only people still talking about Reddit are the really passionate people that hate or love it. I am neutral and therefore stopped talking about it.
Exactly the same boat. Just trying to make Lemmy work now.
We’re still discussing Reddit? That’s so 2.5 weeks old 😝 moved here because of spaz’ rule, not because I hate Reddit. It was a fun time which will be remembered.
It’s time to hate the looming threat of the colossus that meta now setting eyes on gobbling up the guppies. It makes reddit stuff look so trivial in comparison.
Hate is a strong word, but I don’t like the power that comes with an extremely centralized internet. I also don’t like the ad driven internet. So Reddit as a website is no good in my opinion.
I picked it intentionally, hoping some people feeling some actual powerful emotions might try to explain why. Regardless of what I think of it intellectually, I don’t experience strong emotions towards it. I don’t miss it, I don’t hate it, my emotions towards it are very neutral.
I’m curious about others though. Emotionally, not intellectually.
Almost the same thing happened on Reddit when everyone migrated from Digg. It’s so similar, in fact, that I wonder if maybe this isn’t a normal thing.
I suspect it’s more users migrating over to here. I am coming here more than on Reddit now because of Reddits actions. Just trying to get used to Lemmy. The vibes are friendlier here, that’s for sure. I imagine that won’t last once even more Redditors come this way.
I never used Digg, so I never got to see. That makes sense that it might be a pattern of some sort though.
You’re seeing it more because Reddit has made a series of decisions, in rather rapid succession within the last few weeks, that were widely disliked by longtime users of the platform. API restrictions, the crackdown on NSFW content, major bugs with the official mobile app, mass deletion of DMs, removal of Reddit Gold and the rumored upcoming “creator program”…
All of this has come down the pipeline in a relatively short amount of time, and is pushing people to the point of vehemency.
That DM deletion was just pure lazy bland evil.
I’m assuming they did it because they didn’t want to spend engineer time improving their message system. Or some old USB disk on a forgotten computer had filled up.
Yes, I myself am a post-blackout refugee. We were not constantly shredding reddit at every opportunity 2 weeks ago. Despite having all left because we no longer found it acceptable. This change is what I’m trying to explore.
Not spez fucking shit up. I know all that happened, I talked about spez in my OP. It explains hatred of spez, but not the entire faceless website that doesn’t actually have any consciousness or decision-making power.
