Nearly a third of Americans – 30% – say people may have to resort to violence in order to get the country back on track, according to the latest PBS News/NPR/Marist poll.
It’s a sharp rise from 18 months ago, when 19% of Americans said the same.
Historically, it has always taken violence to remove fascists from power.
Fundamentally, elections were designed to be a peaceful alternative to the peasantry revolting against the government and beheading their king. As Americans come to grip with the reality that their elections are meaningless, their politicians are bought and their only alternative to fascism is fascism-lite with a pride pin (no trans ppl allowed though) this attitude will continue to fester.
Well if an ICE officer stops my husband based on his appearance we’ve both agreed that we should resist that arrest.
That would end in violence and probably our deaths. What else can we do? Let them take us god knows where?
And after all that training we’ve had to never let kidnappers take you to a secondary location! There really isn’t another choice.
violence is already happening, it’s just that people are too scared to fight back against it
There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to a descent into fascism.
There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to massive wealth inequality.
Well it’s true. You can’t be diplomatic with fascists. You can’t “get on the same level” with billionaires.
They have no reason to listen or care, unless we give them a reason to listen or care.
And no matter what, all violence is somehow leftist violence. Trump in his speech to the generals said that they need to deploy against ‘animals’ who fire at firefighters climbing ladders to save people. At first I was incredulous, but then I saw a comment that pointed out that not too long ago a Trump supporter really did fire at firefighters doing their jobs (and climbing ladders). Not only that, but he was the one who started the fire in the first place to bait them.
Yet it is our fault somehow…
You can’t argue nazis out of your government. Churchill didn’t convince Hitler to back out of Poland over a friendly cuppa.
This is exactly how it’s being orchestrated. Pit the people against each other so the politicians and wealthy can get away with literal murder.
We are being governed by the “Epstein Elite”, literal pedophiles and sex traffickers and the idiots that kneel to them.
culture wars crap= aka, anti-wokeness, antivaxx, anti-trans.
not class wars=billionaires vs the not .01%
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
I hate that I agree with this.
Humans can be so much more than violent cavemen, but we aren’t there quite yet.
That’s part of why I’m neither a patriot nor a tyrant.
Suprisingly, both of them are on the same side of the barricade.
Yea for sure, suck the copium. There is a reason why patriots rhymes perfectly with idiots
magats are not patriots.
Patriots love their country and criticize it when its wrong.
Nationalists create a fantasy narrative of what their concept of a “country” is, and think that’s the best thing in the world.
I probably fit into the category of “patriot”, I love the multiculturalism of the US, I love the progress that has been made on Civil Rights and the protection of people with disabilities and recognition of the rights of LGBT+ people, I love the constitution (well… some parts need to be tweaked), the 1st and 2nd amendments, separation of powers, the idea that “American” is not a race, but an ideal; And I do recognize that the history is dark and those dark history should be taught so we can prevent those from happening, and I do NOT support this administration’s blatant violation of the constitution and anyone involved should be thrown in jail.
These “nationalists” don’t even love the country, they do not support freedom, they are traitors, and should be dealt with accordingly.
Patriots love their country and criticize it when its wrong.
This line turned on a light bulb deep in the recesses of my brain that were formed while being raised by rural conservatives.
In my conservative world at least, punching down was pretty much universal, not just a political thing. You don’t criticize your parents/betters or honestly even disagree with them many times, but you can expect criticism of your own every move. Generational trauma isn’t a single event, after all.
Or, if you’re lucky, the parent is the type to sweep everything under the rug and pretend that everything is perfect.
So with those kinds of traits plus the very hierarchical thinking, you can see how you simply do not criticize your people in charge, your religion, etc.
But that’s only for YOUR people. If somebody is an OTHER then that means they are nowhere on your hierarchy (the correct one, obvs) and are therefore worth less than the lowest peon on your side.
Soooooo, that was a long way of saying these people probably THINK they love their country because they treat it with the same honor, deference, and “see no evil” that they give their own grandmother.
They literally are. The same goes for Israelis commiting genocides, as to the Russians commiting it. All of them are patriots to the fullest, and you can suck you copium freely, because as it seems, you are very simillar to them. Just waiting for your own patriotic front to be on the rise.
magats are not patriots.
They are. That’s the dirty truth of the Post-Cold War state of the nation. What we’re getting a taste of is authentic Real Americana.
All the flowery liberal hagiographies of noble, selfless liberty lovers was propaganda. Trump is the beating heart of American oligarchy. And the oligarchs have had this country by the throat since the day settlers put boots on the soil of the New World.
These “nationalists” don’t even love the country, they do not support freedom
The “freedom” this country promises is a lie. It’s the old Auschwitz line. “Work shall set you free”. Horseshit. These people want to work you into your grave.
They are. That’s the dirty truth of the Post-Cold War state of the nation. What we’re getting a taste of is authentic Real Americana.
You are getting a taste of long running russian media manipulation, enabled by rich oligarchs who care more about their power and money than country.
A russian literally wrote the book on how to take down the country.
And this shit thats happening right now is literally what was written in it.
You’re not seeing anything authentically americana from the right. You are seeing gullible idiots manipulated by outside forces to destroy the very ground they stand on out from under themselves, and do it while praising a country that they and their predecessors hated and vilified as the great communist evil.
A russian literally wrote the book on how to take down the country.
Which Russian, the one that says gay atheists take down the country or the one that says gay Jews take down the country?
Russia pushes every angle. The point is to spread division.
FTFY
“Israel pushes every angle. The point is to spread division.”
A russian literally wrote the book on how to take down the country.
Sorry bro, but the calls are coming from inside the house.
Part Two of Washington Bullets begins with a nine point manual on how the US goes about enacting regime change against those who defy their interests. Prashad uses the events of the 1954 CIA backed coup of Jocobo Arbenz in Guatemala, and a myriad of other examples, to describe the repeated strategies used by the CIA, and other regime change arms of the US State Department. There are patterns of imperialism which play out again and again. Understanding these patterns is vital when analyzing what the State Department is currently looking to do to their enemies such as China, Venezuela, and Iran.
The first step in any US regime change effort is to manufacture public support for intervention. This involves a propaganda campaign not just at home, but also within the target Nation. Prior to the coup in Guatemala, journalists from NYT, Chicago Tribune, and TIME all received payments from the United Fruit, the multinational company which dominated Guatemala. In reality Arbenz was a popular leader who sought to enact minor land reforms. In the media he was portrayed as a dangerous communist, drunk with power. As the US corporate media fell in line, the CIA filled the streets of Guatemala with anti-Arbenz propaganda. This strategy of propagandizing both the American Public, and the people of whatever country the US is targeting, has been repeated again and again. Libya, Syria, and Venezuela have all seen money from the West used to bolster right wing media campaigns inside their borders. Control of public opinion has been one of the most vital components to US regime change efforts from the beginning.
Step four in Prashad’s manual of regime change is to “Make the Economy Scream.” A reference to directions given by Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon to the CIA in 1970, as the US looked to overthrow the Democratically elected Salvadore Allende in Chile. Here we see a vital component of what Prashad calls ‘hybrid war.’ Isolating from the world those Nations who seek to develop themselves, and reclaim their own natural resources. Sanctions and blockades are used to starve smaller nations of financing and trade, as corporate media outlets point and say “look. Don’t you see socialism clearly doesn’t work?” US sanctions recently led to many deaths in Venezuela and Iran during the Covid-19 pandemic, as the US has continued their murderous regime change efforts, with techniques they designed almost 70 years ago.”
FTFY
You are getting a taste of long running Israel media manipulation, enabled by rich oligarchs who care more about their power and money than country.
Depends on how you define “patriot”. If it is strictly nationalism, then yeah. If you define “patriot” as someone who loves, in this context, democracy and human dignity, then I would disagree.
Every patriot loves his country as long as it’s feed with propaganda and lies about it. Ah, and as long as patriot is in the gaining side of the country. If not, they will start spreading bullshit about “the other group is not group of true patriots”.
Idiots rhymes with patriots perfectly, and for me it’s the perfect comedy.
I’ve never known the term “patriot” to not be soley a nationalist dog-whistle… unless we’re talking about beers on Family Guy
To me, a patriot always been someone who is willing to sacrifice of themselves to make the country better for everyone else. Whether that means sacrificing their life in battle, giving up significant wealth, or using their talents to help those in need.
MAGA is all about grievance, and what the country should be doing to service them. They are nationalists and identitarians, not patriots.
I always thought nationalists are fed a sense of pride (through indoctrination, propaganda, belittling of other nations) in their country, and patriots just develop their pride organically because the country they live in is great at taking care of their people (and even those who are from other nations).
Those are nationalists, not patriots. They love tyrants.
1775: Breaking News, there’s a growing number of colonists who think violence is necessary…
if this comes to violence, I will be slaughtered. not because I plan to fight, but because trans people have been so thoroughly villianized by the Right. I won’t hurt a soul, but I expect to be hurt.
violence would be a catastrophe.
All transgender medical therapy is being made illegal. That’s violence. Another step up the genocide ladder.
yep. that’s why me and everyone I know is prepping to DIY. they can pry my estradiol from my cold, dead hands.
It’s already happening. If I was trans I would be looking to flee the country ASAP. I wouldn’t even trust blue states to protect me.
its a step closer to controlling women in general, its the endgame. because most transphobia has been happening to transgendered women, more than men who FTM. Also it creates another problem, by mislabeling non-transgedered women as well, i knew a family member that was misgendered by a demographic other than caucasians that specifically is wierdly obsessed with them.
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PBS running these insipid polls lately is so fucking offensive.
Americans are already doing violence on Americans to execute their fascist vision of this country, en masse, within and without institutions. Violent change is here. The violence question is over. Public opinion is for TV.
Guns do not protect you from Fox News.
I disagree with Lemmy (and the growing public sentiment), but for the opposite extreme reason: we are beyond violence changing things. This is a propaganda/reality war, and truth doesn’t really matter.
America, you have the right to bear arms for a reason.
Depending on how the question was worded Im willing to bet a large portion of those means violence against the lunatic leftists.
I could wish really really hard that you’re wrong, but you’re not.
I mean, I’m for it. Just waiting for the green light when it’s ok to punch a Nazi and be considered a patriot and not a criminal…
Be clear, I believe in peace first. But when peace and negotiation is no longer an option, your hand is forced until peace and negotiation is an option.
Think of it like this. Bully attacks you, you ask them to stop and they don’t. One day you decide to put the bully in an wrist lock! Bully is now screaming in pain. Bully now agrees to stop attacking you. Peace has been restored.
there will be no green light. one side will be legitimized as lawful agents or paramilitaries, every excess of force overlooked, and our side will be considered criminals and terrorists, even in self-defense.
if it comes to violence it will be more like the Troubles than the Civil War.
