Anyway, if you’ve grown up as a man, you’ve probably been allowed to pursue these male dominated sports pretty unhindered. Sure, you might’ve been an egg the whole time, but outwardly the men weren’t hostile to you, or creepy, or doubting.
This erases the gendered harassment eggs face and is pretty offensive, comrade.
it’s not an on-off switch, and you would be surprised at the amount of people who pick up on ‘queer’ vibes before you yourself have picked up on it harass you accordingly
I couldn’t say which is worse, having experienced neither and only witnessed the former, but my intuition is that there are significant differences in the way that creates a barrier, compared to what a cis woman might face. A big part of that is probably sexual harassment and such.
I think you have to be careful here - you have experienced neither but you have opinions on the lived experiences of the very people you are talking about, based on intuition. Not to come across as too toxic, but perhaps take a note from your username’s namesake and ask if you have investigated a problem, and whether therefore it is something you should be speculating so much on
There’s not a lot else I can do to learn more but discuss it.
or rather, maybe read and consider the words people are writing before writing a defensive reply. some of the replies from trans users you’re getting are from people who have played 50 hours of sports in the last month much less their whole life.
And yet, I have gained a deeper understanding by discussing it in this thread than I would have if I just watched from the sideline. People wouldn’t have even been replying in the first place to talk about these issues if I hadn’t have said anything in the first place.
If anyone wants to speak to their experience of being a trans player in sports, I wish they would, but for the large population of trans people on the site, I rarely see anyone speaking from personal anecdote when it comes to sports. Much less so sports at a high level. I’ve had people speak of their experience at school, and growing up, and so on, but not of any actual sports experience.
you’re talking about ridiculous edge cases. what examples do you want? Somebody who got all the “coaching and pay” of elite male athletes (like, what, Lebron James or something?) transitions and joins the WNBA? Someone who played football in Texas in high school and got all of those “advantages” in coaching and facilities and whatnot taking over at the backgammon tables? Like I’m genuinely confused because you’re conflating multiple issues non-intersectionally and then trying to work backwards to confirm your squicky feelings about the topic. There are plenty of anecdotes out there for you to find and any science done so far has only confirmed that trans women aren’t destroying athletics and that’s beyond the fact that we’re a fraction of a fraction of the population making our presence in elite sports even more of a statistical outlier than it is for the general population.
that you’re so open to immutable socialization rhetoric is also concerning. that’s a classic terf entry point because it SEEMS so reasonable to the western debate pervert.
And yet, I have gained a deeper understanding by discussing it in this thread than I would have if I just watched from the sideline.
bro half your comments have been removed by the mods or yourself for transphobia. jesus christ.
if the only way you can learn about the plight of the marginalized is to rile a bunch of us up, maybe just don’t. and maybe consider that a lot of us don’t talk about sports in non-queer spaces because it tends to bring a bunch of replies like yours here, and that’s unpleasant. hell in my fucking queer rec leagues I’ve had to wade through it.
This erases the gendered harassment eggs face and is pretty offensive, comrade.
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it’s not an on-off switch, and you would be surprised at the amount of people who pick up on ‘queer’ vibes before you yourself have picked up on it harass you accordingly
I couldn’t say which is worse, having experienced neither and only witnessed the former, but my intuition is that there are significant differences in the way that creates a barrier, compared to what a cis woman might face. A big part of that is probably sexual harassment and such.
I think you have to be careful here - you have experienced neither but you have opinions on the lived experiences of the very people you are talking about, based on intuition. Not to come across as too toxic, but perhaps take a note from your username’s namesake and ask if you have investigated a problem, and whether therefore it is something you should be speculating so much on
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or rather, maybe read and consider the words people are writing before writing a defensive reply. some of the replies from trans users you’re getting are from people who have played 50 hours of sports in the last month much less their whole life.
And yet, I have gained a deeper understanding by discussing it in this thread than I would have if I just watched from the sideline. People wouldn’t have even been replying in the first place to talk about these issues if I hadn’t have said anything in the first place.
If anyone wants to speak to their experience of being a trans player in sports, I wish they would, but for the large population of trans people on the site, I rarely see anyone speaking from personal anecdote when it comes to sports. Much less so sports at a high level. I’ve had people speak of their experience at school, and growing up, and so on, but not of any actual sports experience.
you’re talking about ridiculous edge cases. what examples do you want? Somebody who got all the “coaching and pay” of elite male athletes (like, what, Lebron James or something?) transitions and joins the WNBA? Someone who played football in Texas in high school and got all of those “advantages” in coaching and facilities and whatnot taking over at the backgammon tables? Like I’m genuinely confused because you’re conflating multiple issues non-intersectionally and then trying to work backwards to confirm your squicky feelings about the topic. There are plenty of anecdotes out there for you to find and any science done so far has only confirmed that trans women aren’t destroying athletics and that’s beyond the fact that we’re a fraction of a fraction of the population making our presence in elite sports even more of a statistical outlier than it is for the general population.
that you’re so open to immutable socialization rhetoric is also concerning. that’s a classic terf entry point because it SEEMS so reasonable to the western debate pervert.
bro half your comments have been removed by the mods or yourself for transphobia. jesus christ.
if the only way you can learn about the plight of the marginalized is to rile a bunch of us up, maybe just don’t. and maybe consider that a lot of us don’t talk about sports in non-queer spaces because it tends to bring a bunch of replies like yours here, and that’s unpleasant. hell in my fucking queer rec leagues I’ve had to wade through it.
is clearly quite poor when it comes to the experiences of trans people. maybe listen to us more and talk about us less.