Humane standards for? Beef? Dairy? Poultry? Maybe some places in Europe, but certainly not in the States where factory farming is rampant and consumption is maximal. Chickens live in darkness their whole lives, stuffed in a box with diseased, dead birds. Pumped full of hormones to the point their legs can’t support the weight of their unnaturally bloated body. Cows stand to their shoulders in mud and excrement without room to move or even breathe. Dairy cows are repeatedly impregnated and their calves torn away immediately on a constant loop.
I know farmers in real life. I have relatives that work in meat packing and slaughterhouses. I welcome you to view what it looks like to kill an animal. “Humane” doesn’t mean they aren’t screaming in fear until they die, dragged to a death they know is coming after a life of squalor. They’re still being raised for the slaughter.
True! I forgot about that part - although they also have rules about how the cows should be treated, so in the US they would definitely not consume our dairy.
well, it takes a ton of plant foods to sustain animal agriculture.
if you’re concerned about plant sentience, you should be vegan, so you can live a healthy life harming as few beings as possible.
At that point you have a shit sandwich for sure. I think we either make the choice to slaughter veggies, like we do now with animals we KNOW experience pain, but with who we have much more in common.
Or come up with an alternative source of sustenance.
I think the argument being made here is that there is no “good” here
well there’s torturing and slaughtering animals we know to possess sentience, intelligence, emotion, and then there’s vegetables
no one likes torture, that’s why there are humane standards in most of the world
TW: Animal cruelty, death
Humane standards for? Beef? Dairy? Poultry? Maybe some places in Europe, but certainly not in the States where factory farming is rampant and consumption is maximal. Chickens live in darkness their whole lives, stuffed in a box with diseased, dead birds. Pumped full of hormones to the point their legs can’t support the weight of their unnaturally bloated body. Cows stand to their shoulders in mud and excrement without room to move or even breathe. Dairy cows are repeatedly impregnated and their calves torn away immediately on a constant loop.
I know farmers in real life. I have relatives that work in meat packing and slaughterhouses. I welcome you to view what it looks like to kill an animal. “Humane” doesn’t mean they aren’t screaming in fear until they die, dragged to a death they know is coming after a life of squalor. They’re still being raised for the slaughter.
Ok sorry for being depressing!
I don’t know about you, but my onions make plenty of tears when I start cutting them. /j
I don’t disagree and in a better world, I would be vegan. But what would we do if we found out at some point that plants do feel pain?
Fruititarians exist. Jains are the most notable group that practice this, as they believe that all life is sacred. You should look them up!
Jains will consume dairy
True! I forgot about that part - although they also have rules about how the cows should be treated, so in the US they would definitely not consume our dairy.
well, it takes a ton of plant foods to sustain animal agriculture. if you’re concerned about plant sentience, you should be vegan, so you can live a healthy life harming as few beings as possible.
That makes sense, thanks
At that point you have a shit sandwich for sure. I think we either make the choice to slaughter veggies, like we do now with animals we KNOW experience pain, but with who we have much more in common.
Or come up with an alternative source of sustenance.