• ceiphas@feddit.de
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    11 months ago

    You say that targetting only the top 5% restricts the adoption rate. Consider me shocked…

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        11 months ago

        unfortunately we have to have a competing option to vote for with our wallets. There is not a single affordable EV available in the US.

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          The Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf are both under $30k, and there’s a Mini Cooper that’s just barely over $30k. There’s only 1 other car from Chevy that’s cheaper than the Bolt, and only 2 models from Mini cheaper than their EV. Nissan seems to be a leader with cheap cars, with 6 cheaper models than the Leaf. When you add in the tax rebates for buying electric that reduces the price an additional $7500.

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              11 months ago

              Well yeah. We have safety laws. You cant build a car out of chinesium and have it pass US Safety tests.

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                11 months ago

                You know whats safe? A smaller, cheaper engine with a lower top speed. I dont need hundreds of miles of range and 100mph top speed

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                  Well you need a strong engine to get up to speed in a decent amount of time, and to go up hills full loaded. You also need tall gears for fuel efficiency. Combined, it means almost every production car can go 100+ mph.

                  Also range? Thats just a gas tank. A 10 gallon gas tank will take most small cars 300 miles, its not a lot. Why focus on range? Seems weird to me.

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                    Sorry im used to engines, we’re talking about EV’s. Thats something other countries have as an option, lower speed, lower range, more affordable vehicles.

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            11 months ago

            That’s great. Half of America needs a 15k car. That’s the magic number for Mass adoption.

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              And where are you going to find any new car in the US for $15k? The average cost of a new car in the US this year was over $40k, and there are several EV options available for practically anyone in the market for a new car.

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                11 months ago

                Kia Forte

                Hyundai Venue

                Nissan Versa

                Mitsubishi Mirage

                Kia Rio

                Kia Soul

                Cars aren’t supposed to cost more than half your annual income. Half the country makes less than 36k a year. The domestic auto makers are trying to hide behind inflation for their price increases, but their record profits tell us they aren’t just raising prices with cost.

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                  2024 Kia Forte $19,790 Starting MSRP - https://www.kia.com/us/en/forte

                  2024 Hyundai Venue $19,800 Starting MSRP - https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/venue

                  2024 Nissan Versa $16,130 Starting MSRP - https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/cars/versa-sedan.html

                  2024 Mitsubishi Mirage $16,695 Starting MSRP - https://www.mitsubishicars.com/cars-and-suvs/mirage

                  2023 Kia Rio $16,750 Starting MSRP - https://www.kia.com/us/en/rio (There isn’t a 2024 version as this model has been dropped)

                  2024 Kia Soul $19,990 Starting MSRP - https://www.kia.com/us/en/soul

                  Which of these cars that you listed are $15k? The Chevy Bolt EV is less than half the cars you listed when you look at the base price ($26,500) minus the Federal Tax Credit ($7,500).

                  The original comment I replied to said that “there is not a single affordable EV” in the US and I listed 3 that are under the average cost for any new cars in the US. Then you claimed that EVs need to be $15k in order to reach mass adoption, even though there are no new cars available in the US at that price. You can argue that cars are priced too high, or the car companies are making too much money, but the fact is that for anyone in the market for a new car, there are EVs available in every new car price range.

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                    Oh I’m sorry the price isn’t exact across different manufacturers and models? That’s just ridiculous. And yes there’s a reason the Bolt sold so well.

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        If we start with an expensive sports car we will make enough money that it will eventually trickle down to affordable vehicles.

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        I think it is at least as much about maturity of the technology, and competition in the market. Obviously we all want better cheaper cleaner cars. That hasn’t suddenly changed.

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      11 months ago

      There are several EVs out now for under $50k, and a few under $40k, so things are improving.