Yeah it would seem really counterproductive and a solution would be best. It would be cool to find compromise there but of course fascism has to dominate the conversation currently
that’s the tragedy of Catalunya. on the civil war between Republican Catalunya and Fascist Spain, Catalunya had a minicivil war between the communists and anarchists.
they are a bit ideologically incompatible. both hate capitalism, so it makes sense that they are friends now, but one intendeds to replace capitalism with a proletariat state, and the other consideres states as intrinsically evil, regardless of capitalism.
I’ll miss all my commie friends once the revolution comes 😔
I mean, you could just fuck off into the woods and visit when you want to, real commies won’t hunt you. I think it’s legit for people to want to live collectively under a state, and I think it’s legit for people to want to be completely independent. Without the never ending appetite of capitalism, I think the two could coexist.
interesting, the revolution isn’t here and yet you preemptively exiled me from my community.
I think you have an ideological misconception.
anarchy isn’t individualism. it is the opposite of individual independence. it’s based on mutual aid, we help each other in a collective without a state that can legally kidnap, imprison, kill you whenever it deems convenient and will lash out at anything that will threaten the state.
it’s the needless power structures that are intrinsically evil, racism, capitalism, sexism, state/people.
That’s just you looking to be butthurt. I’m saying that anarchists can go do their collective stuff and communists can go do their state stuff. You are viewing communism through the lenses of places that have pretended to be that way but were just using it as a disguise to exploit their workforce in a more extreme way than capitalism. There was no sharing of collective work in either the USSR or China. I personally think anarchy is for short sighted people who don’t understand history. Good luck doing your non independent loving that will somehow never set up organizing structures to maximize efficiency.
It’s not inevitable, after all we want the same end result - a classless, stateless, moneyless society.
If it has truly gotten to the point where every last billionaire is gone, then I would argue that is pretty good evidence for the end of the hegemony of capital. I’m not sure that the material conditions of a world like that would require a dictatorship of the proletariat, and much more alignment with anarchists could be reached.
Of course, if we are talking about a more realistic scenario like a revolution in a single nation, then absolutely a central state is required to protect the revolution from reactionaries.
Chiapas did quite well, but they were too small to stand a chance, and Rojava is still going strong (as far as I’m aware, western media is intentionally hiding all news from Rojava), even though they are at war with a NATO state.
Anarchists and communists can all agree, let’s burn this mother fucker down
we can agree that we should burn this mf down. we just disagree on what to build afterwards
Is this from a show or something? I’ve seen it before but always wondered.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7749142/
We can worry about that later, you got a lighter?
it’s just sad, that the moment we hang the last billionaire, us commies and anarchist will immediately become enemies. 😞
Yeah it would seem really counterproductive and a solution would be best. It would be cool to find compromise there but of course fascism has to dominate the conversation currently
that’s the tragedy of Catalunya. on the civil war between Republican Catalunya and Fascist Spain, Catalunya had a minicivil war between the communists and anarchists.
they are a bit ideologically incompatible. both hate capitalism, so it makes sense that they are friends now, but one intendeds to replace capitalism with a proletariat state, and the other consideres states as intrinsically evil, regardless of capitalism.
I’ll miss all my commie friends once the revolution comes 😔
I mean, you could just fuck off into the woods and visit when you want to, real commies won’t hunt you. I think it’s legit for people to want to live collectively under a state, and I think it’s legit for people to want to be completely independent. Without the never ending appetite of capitalism, I think the two could coexist.
interesting, the revolution isn’t here and yet you preemptively exiled me from my community.
I think you have an ideological misconception.
anarchy isn’t individualism. it is the opposite of individual independence. it’s based on mutual aid, we help each other in a collective without a state that can legally kidnap, imprison, kill you whenever it deems convenient and will lash out at anything that will threaten the state.
it’s the needless power structures that are intrinsically evil, racism, capitalism, sexism, state/people.
How do you defend yourself when a strong capitalist state sends its centralized military against your peaceful decentralized commune?
I agree 100% with your vision of how society could/should be organized, I just don’t see it as a practical first step in a world dominated by capital.
That’s just you looking to be butthurt. I’m saying that anarchists can go do their collective stuff and communists can go do their state stuff. You are viewing communism through the lenses of places that have pretended to be that way but were just using it as a disguise to exploit their workforce in a more extreme way than capitalism. There was no sharing of collective work in either the USSR or China. I personally think anarchy is for short sighted people who don’t understand history. Good luck doing your non independent loving that will somehow never set up organizing structures to maximize efficiency.
It’s not inevitable, after all we want the same end result - a classless, stateless, moneyless society.
If it has truly gotten to the point where every last billionaire is gone, then I would argue that is pretty good evidence for the end of the hegemony of capital. I’m not sure that the material conditions of a world like that would require a dictatorship of the proletariat, and much more alignment with anarchists could be reached.
Of course, if we are talking about a more realistic scenario like a revolution in a single nation, then absolutely a central state is required to protect the revolution from reactionaries.
Chiapas did quite well, but they were too small to stand a chance, and Rojava is still going strong (as far as I’m aware, western media is intentionally hiding all news from Rojava), even though they are at war with a NATO state.
The situation for rojava isn’t looking great right now.
yhea, but I’m willing to bet its for external reasons.